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    Re: Investigators Probe White House Role in Massive Energy Loan


    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Investigators Probe White House Role in Massive Energy Loan

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    You seem to be wrong about what that means. That's why I asked if you knew the tradition. If your did, you wouldn't react as strong as you do. Mindless overreaction doesn't do anyone much good.
    I've already told you I'm aware of this tradition. Did he say it or not? What do you think "God Damn America" really means?
    Comparisons often tell us better how someone is doing. Poor and great is usually a judgement based on a comparison. Helps to put things in perspective.
    It's also a tired way of deflecting the debate away from the sorry mess you now have as President.
    Not how I would present it. Congress, you migth remember, rates pretty low as well. I woudl say congress didn't do its job, and Obama wasn't forceful enough to move them forward.
    A failure of Democrats on all fronts then. Is that how you would put it?

    Sounds to me you're just looking for a way not to criticize your guys for debt. Sorry, but it won't hold. There's really nothing new here. Too many are just selective in their faux outrage.
    My guys? What guys are these? I'll happily criticize any leader for running up insurmountable debts. What you are doing, again, and repeatedly, is deflecting from the present situation and this president's sad and destructive record.
    Budget is different than economy. Which one do you want to talk about? Even if we get the budget under control, this does not translate into the economy doing well.
    Yes, I know a budget is different than an economy. Is this a recent revelation you're choosing t share? The fact is there was no budget. One attempt was made by BHO and it was turned down by both Dems and Republicans, 97-0. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this is the first time such a thing has happened in any democracy.
    YOu do seem confused and like you're confusing two differetn issues.
    I'm quoting you!


    The only way government can provide jobs is to hire people, this requires pork. Focus.
    LOL!! I Love ii!! That should be the bumper sticker on every democrat vehicle and every election pooster and evry sign at their conventions. "
    The only way government can provide jobs is to hire people, this requires pork.
    You are confused about two separat issues, but the Walstreet bailout was government money to the private sector. The auto industry bailout was to business. Banks also fall under business. Not to menetion what we give in drug reseach at teaching hospitals, and how we give money for jobs programs where companies take the money and fire people (see GM).Corproate welfare far out costs government that welfare to the poor, so,while you are leaping a ways from what we were discussing and what I said, it is true much of the debt is the cost of what we give to business.
    It doesn't really matter anymore what went where. The fact is that the the United States has become hopelessly in debt, the economy is in a shambles, and you have saddled future generations with unpayable debt. It was done on this President's watch and it borders on treason.

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    Re: Investigators Probe White House Role in Massive Energy Loan

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I've already told you I'm aware of this tradition. Did he say it or not? What do you think "God Damn America" really means?
    It is a call to bring bad a godly country. It's a calling out. Much like when MLK called the US the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today. You said you knew the tradition, so you should know this and not react like you are.

    It's also a tired way of deflecting the debate away from the sorry mess you now have as President.
    More a way for those who don't want to aknowledge the comparions to complain without admitting this isn't new. The diversion is mostly on your side.

    A failure of Democrats on all fronts then. Is that how you would put it?
    A failure for eveyone, including democrats. While republicans didn't have ALL the power, they certainly worked hard to derail, and this gives them part of the failure.

    My guys? What guys are these? I'll happily criticize any leader for running up insurmountable debts. What you are doing, again, and repeatedly, is deflecting from the present situation and this president's sad and destructive record.
    If that were true, you would have been so for decades, and would still include all the others. I see no evidence of you doing that. And speaking the truth is not a deflection. Our history is what it is.

    Yes, I know a budget is different than an economy. Is this a recent revelation you're choosing t share? The fact is there was no budget. One attempt was made by BHO and it was turned down by both Dems and Republicans, 97-0. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this is the first time such a thing has happened in any democracy.
    Again, our discussion was over the economy. Speaking of distractions, when we're discussing the economy and you switch to the budget, taking cmments about teh economy and pretending they are about the budget, what would you call that?

    As for the vote, sound like he didn't give either enough of what they wanted. Republicans won't support him period, and are fixated on tax cuts. Democrats are fearful of even talkng about the big three, especially medicare. As Obama is right to consider all that, is he to be criticized or congress?

    I'm quoting you!
    Not in contect of the issue I speak to, and what I was commenting on. Not even close.


    LOL!! I Love ii!! That should be the bumper sticker on every democrat vehicle and every election pooster and evry sign at their conventions. "
    It is true for republicans as well. The only way government can provide jobs is to hire people. This is not complicated.

    It doesn't really matter anymore what went where. The fact is that the the United States has become hopelessly in debt, the economy is in a shambles, and you have saddled future generations with unpayable debt. It was done on this President's watch and it borders on treason.
    Again, where were you when it was happening. Adding to something is nto the same as creating it. This problem has been buidling for a long, long time. And when a republicna was president, republicans said it didn't matter. That was the argument.

    The Democrats aren’t the only ones who have reversed their opinions about deficits. Republicans were relatively comfortable with Reagan’s unbalanced budgets. And when President George W. Bush turned a massive surplus into a series of giant deficits, few in the GOP objected. During the administration’s internal debates over proposed tax cuts in 2002, Vice President Dick Cheney reportedly told Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill that “Reagan proved deficits don’t matter.”

    When Do Deficits Matter? - Reason Magazine

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Investigators Probe White House Role in Massive Energy Loan

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It is a call to bring bad a godly country. It's a calling out. Much like when MLK called the US the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today. You said you knew the tradition, so you should know this and not react like you are.
    You seem to be saying that because I am aware of the tradition I should therefore ignore the words or approve of them. That doesn't necessarily follow and, furthermore, I feel it's patronizing to the Black Community.

    More a way for those who don't want to aknowledge the comparions to complain without admitting this isn't new. The diversion is mostly on your side.
    Do you see the title of this thread? What does it have to do with previous Presidents? It is all bout the current BHO administration and its corruption and ineptitude. Nothing else.
    A failure for eveyone, including democrats. While republicans didn't have ALL the power, they certainly worked hard to derail, and this gives them part of the failure.
    How is it failure for everyone if everyone didn't have any control? But in any case do you expect the Republicans to support an agenda they feel is bad for the country? BHO cannot be supported by anyone but the most committed ideologue. The polls reflect that.

    If that were true, you would have been so for decades, and would still include all the others. I see no evidence of you doing that. And speaking the truth is not a deflection. Our history is what it is.
    But history is not the topic. the presnt is. You can see at the top of the page waht the subject is, or should be, yet you continue to deflect.

    Again, our discussion was over the economy. Speaking of distractions, when we're discussing the economy and you switch to the budget, taking cmments about teh economy and pretending they are about the budget, what would you call that?
    It's all about Brack Obama and his incompetence and corruption. Not about LBJ, JFK or FDR.

    As for the vote, sound like he didn't give either enough of what they wanted. Republicans won't support him period, and are fixated on tax cuts. Democrats are fearful of even talkng about the big three, especially medicare. As Obama is right to consider all that, is he to be criticized or congress?
    A 97-0 count strongly suggests that poor BHO had no support whatsoever, and that he will continue his slide into what will become little more than a bad memory.
    Not in contect of the issue I speak to, and what I was commenting on. Not even close.
    When I'm quoting you the context is obviously there.
    It is true for republicans as well. The only way government can provide jobs is to hire people. This is not complicated.
    Except that's not what you said.. What you said was
    The only way government can provide jobs is to hire people, this requires pork.
    Again, where were you when it was happening. Adding to something is nto the same as creating it. This problem has been buidling for a long, long time. And when a republicna was president, republicans said it didn't matter. That was the argument.
    You have very low credibility. You should submit quotes.

    The Democrats aren’t the only ones who have reversed their opinions about deficits. Republicans were relatively comfortable with Reagan’s unbalanced budgets. And when President George W. Bush turned a massive surplus into a series of giant deficits, few in the GOP objected. During the administration’s internal debates over proposed tax cuts in 2002, Vice President Dick Cheney reportedly told Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill that “Reagan proved deficits don’t matter.”

    When Do Deficits Matter? - Reason Magazine
    The title of the thread is Investigators Probe White House Role in Massive Energy Loan
    It has nothing to do with Dick Cheney.

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    Re: Investigators Probe White House Role in Massive Energy Loan

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You seem to be saying that because I am aware of the tradition I should therefore ignore the words or approve of them. That doesn't necessarily follow and, furthermore, I feel it's patronizing to the Black Community.
    You should at least understand what they mean, which would temper any real or honest outrage. And it is not at all patronizing to understand tradition. Knowing what is meant in context is not equal to patronizing.

    Do you see the title of this thread? What does it have to do with previous Presidents? It is all bout the current BHO administration and its corruption and ineptitude. Nothing else.
    As they contributed to the current state of affairs, a lot. No president did this all by themselves.

    How is it failure for everyone if everyone didn't have any control? But in any case do you expect the Republicans to support an agenda they feel is bad for the country? BHO cannot be supported by anyone but the most committed ideologue. The polls reflect that.
    I may not be running in a race, for example, but if I stick out my foot and trip the runner, I'm responsible for that action. Republicans are responsible for their efforts to confuse the issue, for lying, for their efforts to derail this presidency at the cost of the country.

    But history is not the topic. the presnt is. You can see at the top of the page waht the subject is, or should be, yet you continue to deflect.
    Of course it is. Next to nothing is done in a vaccum.


    It's all about Brack Obama and his incompetence and corruption. Not about LBJ, JFK or FDR.
    Only if you want to be dishonest about the deficit. It is that simple. Past presidents played a role in where we are. Dishonest to pretend otherwise.

    A 97-0 count strongly suggests that poor BHO had no support whatsoever, and that he will continue his slide into what will become little more than a bad memory.
    And would you agree for the reasons I suggested? Not sure those he didn't have support from are right in their beliefs.

    When I'm quoting you the context is obviously there.
    As you got it wrong, how obvious could it be? I was talking about the economy, and you switched it to the debt.

    Except that's not what you said.. What you said was
    How is that not what I said? Can you hire people without pork, in large numbers? The bridge to no where was a job for some, and clearly pork.


    You have very low credibility. You should submit quotes.
    Because you don't like the quotes? By all means do your own search. I suspect you just don't want to know.

    The title of the thread is Investigators Probe White House Role in Massive Energy Loan It has nothing to do with Dick Cheney.
    So, you're doing poorly in OUR discussion, so you want to go back to the other one. That would also mean we can't speak of the deficit, the economy, or the vote in congress. A dicussion you jump into readily.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Investigators Probe White House Role in Massive Energy Loan

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    [...] It doesn't really matter anymore what went where. The fact is that the the United States has become hopelessly in debt, the economy is in a shambles, and you have saddled future generations with unpayable debt. It was done on this President's watch and it borders on treason.
    Interesting... your comment indicates that as of January 19, 2009 you think that the U.S. was not hopelessly in debt ($10.6 trillion) and the economy was not in a shambles (losing 550,000 jobs per month, or 1.8 million jobs lost in the previous 3 months), stock market down 38% in the past 8 months (13,000 to 8,000).

    To summarize, in your opinion $14.6 trillion in debt is hopeless, but $10.6 trillion is not hopeless.

    ... and gaining a few ten thousand jobs a month is a shambles, while losing a half million jobs a month is not a shambles.

    ... and a stock market limping along at around 11,000 is a shambles, while a stock market bouncing around the bottom at 8,000 is not a shambles.

    Somehow that looks rather partisan to me (not to mention completely off topic)... but perhaps I'm just reading too much into it

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    Re: Investigators Probe White House Role in Massive Energy Loan

    Obama will do anything to garner votes, even grant money to businesses that may or may not produce something worthwhile. You gotta' love Obama...he is his own worse enemy.

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    Re: Investigators Probe White House Role in Massive Energy Loan

    Quote Originally Posted by coolwalker View Post
    Obama will do anything to garner votes, even grant money to businesses that may or may not produce something worthwhile. You gotta' love Obama...he is his own worse enemy.
    Yep, and Bush, too, who signed the loan program into law. And the very same Republicans who are complaining about it now, who made a specific amendment to the loan program that only benefitted one company ... Solyndra.

    The birthing of Solyndra - Other Views - MiamiHerald.com

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    Re: Investigators Probe White House Role in Massive Energy Loan

    Quote Originally Posted by coolwalker View Post
    Obama will do anything to garner votes, even grant money to businesses that may or may not produce something worthwhile. You gotta' love Obama...he is his own worse enemy.
    Politiical does things to get votes. In order news, fire is hot.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Investigators Probe White House Role in Massive Energy Loan

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    To summarize, in your opinion $14.6 trillion in debt is hopeless, but $10.6 trillion is not hopeless.
    Nowhere did i say that but yes, it is pretty much hopeless/. Do you expect that money to ever be paid back and,m if so, who's going to pay it?
    ... and gaining a few ten thousand jobs a month is a shambles, while losing a half million jobs a month is not a shambles.
    Unemployment, despite a trillion dollars worth of promises, has increased. Obama promised a "pay as you go presidency".

    ... and a stock market limping along at around 11,000 is a shambles, while a stock market bouncing around the bottom at 8,000 is not a shambles.
    It seems you don't understand the stock market either. You must be an Obamaniac.
    Somehow that looks rather partisan to me (not to mention completely off topic)... but perhaps I'm just reading too much into it ]
    If your idea of a "partisan" is someone who believes that being $15 trillion dollars in debt is a bad thing then yes, you can say I'm partisan.

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