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    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    First where i agree with you. If we had a public option that would have greatly helped our economy long term.

    I do not agree that we could not do more to fix the economy. He could have( and still could) done something to fix the mortgage crisis. After all most of the underwater loans are guareenteed by Fannie and Freddie, which are essentially controlled by the government. You can't really fix unemployment when you have 12% of GDP, construction on it's butt. People will not buy houses until the mortgage overhang gets worked off for fear that prices still have further to decline. Yes there are other issues but this is an example of an area that could be fixed with real leadership. We could have put an effort into the new shale technology which would have added many jobs while reducing our trade deficit. We could have put money into truly bettering our infrastructure perhaps with a smart grid.

    Yes presidents have to get lucky. But that reminds me of a saying:

    " The better you are the luckier you get".
    Lord, I would have loved to see the fight over fixing the morgage crisis. I really would have. But that too would have taken money, and republicans and tea party folks have drawn a line that this president can't spend. But I do agree he should have fought that battle. Better to lose doing the right thing than win doing the wrong things.

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    Re: Investigators Probe White House Role in Massive Energy Loan

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Lord, I would have loved to see the fight over fixing the morgage crisis. I really would have. But that too would have taken money, and republicans and tea party folks have drawn a line that this president can't spend. But I do agree he should have fought that battle. Better to lose doing the right thing than win doing the wrong things.
    A little historical perspective. This would have been done as opposed to spending $800 billion paying people to buy cars and filling the coffers of European banks.

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    CHICAGO (WLS) - Illinois Senator and Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin is admitting the scandal at Solyndra is a big deal.

    Taping WLS Radio's "Connected to Chicago" for Sunday morning at 6, Durbin was not making any excuses for the Solyndra scandal.


    WLS 890AM

    Durbin: "If there was rank stupidity and a terrible thing, let the chips fall where they may"

    Cameron (Host of program) : "and it might hurt Democrats in next year's election."

    Durbin: "Well, of course."


    All because Obama is black.

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    Re: Investigators Probe White House Role in Massive Energy Loan

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Lord, I would have loved to see the fight over fixing the morgage crisis. I really would have. But that too would have taken money, and republicans and tea party folks have drawn a line that this president can't spend. But I do agree he should have fought that battle. Better to lose doing the right thing than win doing the wrong things.
    Typical more borrow and spend mentality
    Liberals - Punish the Successful, Reward the Unsuccessful
    Liberals - Tax, Borrow, Spend, and Give Free Stuff
    Obama's legacy - President Donald Trump

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    Re: Investigators Probe White House Role in Massive Energy Loan

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You're interpretation of Obama's actions is as skewed as your reading of the Reverands comments.
    The Reverend's comments are quite clear and there is only one way to read them. As well, there were many similar comments made which we needn't add here, unless there is denial.
    Frankly, Obama simply hasn't been what you guys claim.
    I'm claiming he has been a domestic failure and an international failure and I don't see how it can be demonstrated otherwise.
    Oh, he hasn't set the world on fire, and he has been slow and has allowed Republicans to derail efforts when he should have been more foceful,
    Been more forceful? Where? He had control of the house and Senate and couldn't even pass a budget? What sort of extra force did he need?
    but the economy 1) has been a problem for a long, long time
    "A Long, long time"? How long is that?
    and Obama hasn't had the power to do the damage we're seeing now
    Certainly he had the power. Not only does he not have a budget, he's wasted trillions of dollars that will take a generation to repay, if it ever is. Unlike past generations of Americans who fought for the future of their country, he has passed on the bills to children and grandchildren that will leave the country in debt for at least a generation.,

    2) the kind of change we would need to fix this sinking ship would be change your side would never, ever support.
    And what sort of change is that??
    Your side is as much a part of the problem as Obama and democrats are. Like most partisans, your side and mine have trouble looking in the mirror.
    I'm quite clear in my criticism while your criticisms, such as they are, are vague to the point of having no substance whatsoever. In fact having no substance would describe Barrack Obama perfectly.

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    Re: Investigators Probe White House Role in Massive Energy Loan

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The Reverend's comments are quite clear and there is only one way to read them. As well, there were many similar comments made which we needn't add here, unless there is denial.
    As some have read them incorrectly, you would be factually wrong. All you are really saying is that your reading is the only one you willlisten to. Noted.


    I'm claiming he has been a domestic failure and an international failure and I don't see how it can be demonstrated otherwise.
    Compared to who he replaced, he has been an improvement. Not the great success many had hoped for, true, but an improvement. But, where I differ most is how much hyperbole I hear coming from his opponents. Many go over the edge often.


    Been more forceful? Where? He had control of the house and Senate and couldn't even pass a budget? What sort of extra force did he need?
    I'm always surprised when someone I'm having a dicussion with seems to not have any idea about the events we're discussing. You make a common mistake in thinking that all you need to know is that power was mostly held by one party. I realize much of this requires more than opponents want to look at, as it would make their hyerbolic nonsense less easy to pass off with a straightface. But, I said he needed to be more forceful, as in insist on things, push his party, make the case, lead. Instead, he was under the mistaken impression congress would work together and actually try to do some good for the country. He was wrong.

    "A Long, long time"? How long is that?
    As long as I can remember. We're been borrowing since the country was first created. But we fell hard in the depression, which changed the rules, and VN was an economic low point, and every present in our life time has contributed to the debt. Every congress, regardless of party has contributed. And all of us have really not doen enough to hold any of the accountable. Point is, this isn't in any way new.

    Certainly he had the power. Not only does he not have a budget, he's wasted trillions of dollars that will take a generation to repay, if it ever is. Unlike past generations of Americans who fought for the future of their country, he has passed on the bills to children and grandchildren that will leave the country in debt for at least a generation.,
    No, he never did. He'spresident and not ruler, dictator, king. Just president. And nearly all of our past presidents, espeically in the modern era, have passed on the debt. It is dishonest to only single out Obama.

    And what sort of change is that??
    UHC, a HUGE expendature of government money, more spending and control than either of us would completely support. But that is the only way GOVERNMENT can fix this. Your better to seek others to step up and help. I suggest partnerships.

    I'm quite clear in my criticism while your criticisms, such as they are, are vague to the point of having no substance whatsoever. In fact having no substance would describe Barrack Obama perfectly.
    You must be asking the wrong questions or reading the wrong posts. Republicans have played rerail the president, and not let's roll up our selves and help. That's a specific and real criticism. Like republcians, democrats have been too close to business, too willing to let them dictate policy, and have been too partisan while doing too little actual work. Neither can claim the high ground. But if you're confused, ask a specific question, and then listen to the answer with just looking for the ONE you want to hear.

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    Re: Investigators Probe White House Role in Massive Energy Loan

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    As some have read them incorrectly, you would be factually wrong. All you are really saying is that your reading is the only one you willlisten to. Noted.
    Where have I been factually wrong? Did Rev. Wright not say "God Damn America"?

    Compared to who he replaced, he has been an improvement. Not the great success many had hoped for, true, but an improvement. But, where I differ most is how much hyperbole I hear coming from his opponents. Many go over the edge often.
    Why compare him to previous Presidents? Surely, by now, he can be judged on his own merits, or lack of them. But, in any case, how is he an improvement on George Bush? Bush inherited a recession and turned it around. Obama has not only made a recession worse, the American people will be paying for the debts he created for years to come.

    I'm always surprised when someone I'm having a dicussion with seems to not have any idea about the events we're discussing. You make a common mistake in thinking that all you need to know is that power was mostly held by one party. I realize much of this requires more than opponents want to look at, as it would make their hyerbolic nonsense less easy to pass off with a straightface. But, I said he needed to be more forceful, as in insist on things, push his party, make the case, lead. Instead, he was under the mistaken impression congress would work together and actually try to do some good for the country. He was wrong.
    In other words, the Congress and Senate couldn't agree with this nincompoop either.
    As long as I can remember. We're been borrowing since the country was first created. But we fell hard in the depression, which changed the rules, and VN was an economic low point, and every present in our life time has contributed to the debt. Every congress, regardless of party has contributed. And all of us have really not doen enough to hold any of the accountable. Point is, this isn't in any way new.
    As you may have heard, there is good debt and there is bad debt. Debt as a manageable percentage of the GDP is nothing new in any economy. But when you make the claim that there is nothing new with BHO's debt you are wrong. Barrack Obama has not only put the country deeper in debt than any previous President, he has put the country deeper in debt than all other Presidents combined! That he is not being held accountable by you and many others is obvious, and you'll continue to look for a scapegoat or make excuses for this clown.
    No, he never did. He'spresident and not ruler, dictator, king. Just president. And nearly all of our past presidents, espeically in the modern era, have passed on the debt. It is dishonest to only single out Obama.
    A leader need not be a dictator in order to get a budget passed or get debt under control. In fact BHO said he would be a "pay as you go" President. How ridiculous that sounds now!
    UHC, a HUGE expendature of government money, more spending and control than either of us would completely support. But that is the only way GOVERNMENT can fix this. Your better to seek others to step up and help. I suggest partnerships.
    More spending will control more spending? And more spending will fix the problem? This is madness. And who would want to partner this insanity?

    You must be asking the wrong questions or reading the wrong posts. Republicans have played rerail the president, and not let's roll up our selves and help.
    Help where? Spend more money? How is more pork the answer?

    That's a specific and real criticism. Like republcians, democrats have been too close to business, too willing to let them dictate policy, and have been too partisan while doing too little actual work. Neither can claim the high ground. But if you're confused, ask a specific question, and then listen to the answer with just looking for the ONE you want to hear.
    So the American government is in irredeemable debt because of the business community? This is really getting weird. Again, can you be specific as to examples to support your theories?

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    Re: Investigators Probe White House Role in Massive Energy Loan

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You're interpretation of Obama's actions is as skewed as your reading of the Reverands comments. Frankly, Obama simply hasn't been what you guys claim. Oh, he hasn't set the world on fire, and he has been slow and has allowed Republicans to derail efforts when he should have been more foceful, but the economy 1) has been a problem for a long, long time and Obama hasn't had the power to do the damage we're seeing now, and 2) the kind of change we would need to fix this sinking ship would be change your side would never, ever support. Your side is as much a part of the problem as Obama and democrats are. Like most partisans, your side and mine have trouble looking in the mirror.
    u right about that everyone on the hill is a crook.2 different gangs.kabuki theatre at it's best.key issues that have to do with tightening the grip on the population pass without much ado....from them or the media.interesting isn't it?
    peace.

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    Re: Investigators Probe White House Role in Massive Energy Loan

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    Lord, I would have loved to see the fight over fixing the morgage crisis. I really would have.
    Happy to oblige!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Where have I been factually wrong? Did Rev. Wright not say "God Damn America"?
    You seem to be wrong about what that means. That's why I asked if you knew the tradition. If your did, you wouldn't react as strong as you do. Mindless overreaction doesn't do anyone much good.

    Why compare him to previous Presidents? Surely, by now, he can be judged on his own merits, or lack of them. But, in any case, how is he an improvement on George Bush? Bush inherited a recession and turned it around. Obama has not only made a recession worse, the American people will be paying for the debts he created for years to come.
    Comparisons often tell us better how someone is doing. Poor and great is usually a judgement based on a comparison. Helps to put things in perspective.

    In other words, the Congress and Senate couldn't agree with this nincompoop either.
    Not how I would present it. Congress, you migth remember, rates pretty low as well. I woudl say congress didn't do its job, and Obama wasn't forceful enough to move them forward.

    As you may have heard, there is good debt and there is bad debt. Debt as a manageable percentage of the GDP is nothing new in any economy. But when you make the claim that there is nothing new with BHO's debt you are wrong. Barrack Obama has not only put the country deeper in debt than any previous President, he has put the country deeper in debt than all other Presidents combined! That he is not being held accountable by you and many others is obvious, and you'll continue to look for a scapegoat or make excuses for this clown.
    Sounds to me you're just looking for a way not to criticize your guys for debt. Sorry, but it won't hold. There's really nothing new here. Too many are just selective in their faux outrage.

    A leader need not be a dictator in order to get a budget passed or get debt under control. In fact BHO said he would be a "pay as you go" President. How ridiculous that sounds now!
    Budget is different than economy. Which one do you want to talk about? Even if we get the budget under control, this does not translate into the economy doing well.

    More spending will control more spending? And more spending will fix the problem? This is madness. And who would want to partner this insanity?
    YOu do seem confused and like you're confusing two differetn issues.

    Help where? Spend more money? How is more pork the answer?
    The only way government can provide jobs is to hire people, this requires pork. Focus.


    So the American government is in irredeemable debt because of the business community? This is really getting weird. Again, can you be specific as to examples to support your theories?
    You are confused about two separat issues, but the Walstreet bailout was government money to the private sector. The auto industry bailout was to business. Banks also fall under business. Not to menetion what we give in drug reseach at teaching hospitals, and how we give money for jobs programs where companies take the money and fire people (see GM).Corproate welfare far out costs government that welfare to the poor, so,while you are leaping a ways from what we were discussing and what I said, it is true much of the debt is the cost of what we give to business.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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