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    Re: Investigators Probe White House Role in Massive Energy Loan

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Halliburton was granted huge no bid contracts. Not 30-60k contracts. Multi millions. They were slapped on the wrist over and over for screwing over the government and then still granted more and more no bid contracts.

    That it no way saved taxpayers anything. We would not be having this discussion if the problem was the government awarding a company a no bid contract to install new signs at the Washington monument.
    Did you not understand any of what i wrote? the government HAD to award a no bid contract. There is NO WAY the government could manage the rebuilding of cities. You have to at least have a LITTLE understanding of a process before you declare something right or wrong. Think about it. Every building that was to be built would go through a contracting process. Since each organization would be managed separately, every bid would have greater management and administrative costs. Multiplied not by hundreds but by thousands. Every road. every school. Every facility. Every sewer system. Every individual project. I dont think you can even fathom the scope of what you are talking about...but try this...count every building in your neighborhood. Count every road. Count every type of utility. Thats 1 block. Imagine a separate contract for every one of those. Imagine the scheduling...the coordination. The requirements. We arent talking about building a house....we are talking about building cities. Now...imagine awarding separate contracts for all of them. Imagine the conflict with independent crews fightiong for space, access, even clearances. Are you getting the picture?

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    Re: Investigators Probe White House Role in Massive Energy Loan

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    Did you not understand any of what i wrote? the government HAD to award a no bid contract. There is NO WAY the government could manage the rebuilding of cities. You have to at least have a LITTLE understanding of a process before you declare something right or wrong. Think about it. Every building that was to be built would go through a contracting process. Since each organization would be managed separately, every bid would have greater management and administrative costs. Multiplied not by hundreds but by thousands. Every road. every school. Every facility. Every sewer system. Every individual project. I dont think you can even fathom the scope of what you are talking about...but try this...count every building in your neighborhood. Count every road. Count every type of utility. Thats 1 block. Imagine a separate contract for every one of those. Imagine the scheduling...the coordination. The requirements. We arent talking about building a house....we are talking about building cities. Now...imagine awarding separate contracts for all of them. Imagine the conflict with independent crews fightiong for space, access, even clearances. Are you getting the picture?
    Yes, you are argueing hyperbole. One could bid all that out to one entity just like it's awarded to Halliburton with no bid process. The facts are Halliburton has screwed over the taxpayers countless times because they know they are going to get the business regardless.

    These roads don't have to be built tomorrow. They can be built in 6 weeks.

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    Re: Investigators Probe White House Role in Massive Energy Loan

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Again, the jobs are the jobs of the people who worked there during the extra time they were able to stay afloat or that they were able to hire because they got the loan, plus the jobs created at companies selling things to those people.
    This is lame reasoning and you know it. If this was a valid model we would simply keep every failing business afloat.

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    Re: Investigators Probe White House Role in Massive Energy Loan

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Yes, you are argueing hyperbole. One could bid all that out to one entity just like it's awarded to Halliburton with no bid process. The facts are Halliburton has screwed over the taxpayers countless times because they know they are going to get the business regardless.

    These roads don't have to be built tomorrow. They can be built in 6 weeks.
    They wouldnt be built in 6 years. If you understood the government system and contracting process, you would understand why it must be the way it is. Thats not a dem or a republican thing. Its a reality thing.

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    Re: Investigators Probe White House Role in Massive Energy Loan

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    This is lame reasoning and you know it. If this was a valid model we would simply keep every failing business afloat.
    Why do I have to keep repeating myself... I don't support boosting up businesses just purely for the jobs effect, I support it when there are double purposes that combine to make a good balance. In this case, stimulating renewable energy

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    Re: Investigators Probe White House Role in Massive Energy Loan

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    They wouldnt be built in 6 years. If you understood the government system and contracting process, you would understand why it must be the way it is. Thats not a dem or a republican thing. Its a reality thing.
    I never claimed it was a Dem or Rep thing. That you note it's the governments system is indeed the problem.

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    Re: Investigators Probe White House Role in Massive Energy Loan

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Why do I have to keep repeating myself... I don't support boosting up businesses just purely for the jobs effect, I support it when there are double purposes that combine to make a good balance. In this case, stimulating renewable energy
    It was failing at that also. Everyone but this administration recognized that.

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    Re: Investigators Probe White House Role in Massive Energy Loan

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    It was failing at that also. Everyone but this administration recognized that.
    Again, not every company you back is going to win. Ideally they would all be companies the market is betting against. No point in giving loans to ones that are already drawing private investors. We're going in a loop. If you don't have anything new to add, lets just stop.

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    Re: Investigators Probe White House Role in Massive Energy Loan

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Again, not every company you back is going to win.
    Everyone warned them.

    Ideally they would all be companies the market is betting against. No point in giving loans to ones that are already drawing private investors. We're going in a loop. If you don't have anything new to add, lets just stop.
    No, you are right here to a point but I already covered this. If this is the case and it's government money or sink, the first priority must be to see that the interest of the tax payers are covered first.

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    Re: Investigators Probe White House Role in Massive Energy Loan

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    No, you are right here to a point but I already covered this. If this is the case and it's government money or sink, the first priority must be to see that the interest of the tax payers are covered first.
    The interest of the taxpayer is in lower unemployment and faster development of renewable energy.

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