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Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

ric27 said:
Ah, I see....Liberals (like YOU) perpetuate the "MAN" stereotype in order to keep black Americans appealing to thier cause. When historically it has been the Demoncrates who were against Desegregation, freedom from slavery and other programmes designed to give black Americans pride in themselves.

Because of this many in the black community who listen to the liberal drabble....your kind of drabble
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if the black community suddenly becomes rich, the Libbos are screwed. :lamo
 
AdamT said:
Try to follow the conversation. I said that you are denying history. I previously stated that legalized racism existed in this country for close to 200 years. You denied it. I explained it (slavery, 89 years; Jim Crow, 89 years = 178 years). Your inappropriate response was that that isn't 200 years. That's pretty obvious, but I said "close to" 200 years, not 200 years exactly. You're entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.
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AdamT - Preach that crap to people that actually believe it. While your at it, why dont you blame the real people responsible. BLAME YOURSELVES for making the black men and women of America think that they're victims not people. Slavery died over a hundred years ago and your still holding on to it.
 
apdst said:
No, you said that slavery existed for 200 years in the United States. Either way, it's not, "200 years".

Plus, the Jim Crow laws didn't exist outside of the former-Confederate states, not to mention they've been blown out of proportion by the revisionist Left wing historians. My dad and those from his age group have repeatedly called bull**** on the version of history that the Libbos try to present. He didn't let dumbass racists and Liberal do-gooders **** up his life, either.
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No, you are lying again. What I said is that, "For almost 200 years, this country enslaved blacks or practiced legalized racism against blacks".

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...yment-highest-27-years-32.html#post1059783472

You are also still displaying your ignorance of history. Jim Crow wasn't just in the South. List of Jim Crow law examples by State - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
ric27 said:
AdamT - Preach that crap to people that actually believe it. While your at it, why dont you blame the real people responsible. BLAME YOURSELVES for making the black men and women of America think that they're victims not people. Slavery died over a hundred years ago and your still holding on to it.
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You mean you don't believe in historical fact? That's a bit alarming.

Slavery died a long time ago, but racism was legal in my lifetime and the effects of nearly 200 years of legalized discrimination do not disappear over night.
 
AdamT said:
No, you are lying again. What I said is that, "For almost 200 years, this country enslaved blacks or practiced legalized racism against blacks".

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...yment-highest-27-years-32.html#post1059783472

You are also still displaying your ignorance of history. Jim Crow wasn't just in the South. List of Jim Crow law examples by State - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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So what's your point?

You want Black people to live a life of bitterness and complaint because of what happened in the past? Most have moved well beyond that and realize that's what's done is done and, while not forgetting the past, it's to their advantage to look to the future.

It's only White leftists who want to keep the racist rhetoric alive in order to retain bitter Black people in their camp. It seems many Blacks are becoming ever more aware of this tawdry game and moving away from it in ever greater numbers.
 
AdamT said:
You mean you don't believe in historical fact? That's a bit alarming.

Slavery died a long time ago, but racism was legal in my lifetime and the effects of nearly 200 years of legalized discrimination do not disappear over night.
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Its called ....thicker skin, mate. Grow some.
 
Grant said:
So what's your point?

You want Black people to live a life of bitterness and complaint because of what happened in the past? Most have moved well beyond that and realize that's what's done is done and, while not forgetting the past, it's to their advantage to look to the future.

It's only White leftists who want to keep the racist rhetoric alive in order to retain bitter Black people in their camp. It seems many Blacks are becoming ever more aware of this tawdry game and moving away from it in ever greater numbers.
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My point is that black Americans are in pretty bad shape for a reason, and it has nothing to do with IQ or any of the other bull**** that's spewed here. My point is that racism still exists today, so it is incorrect to think that we should just ignore it.
 
AdamT said:
My point is that black Americans are in pretty bad shape for a reason, and it has nothing to do with IQ or any of the other bull**** that's spewed here. My point is that racism still exists today, so it is incorrect to think that we should just ignore it.
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America is a land founded on the principle of opportunity.

Wealth inequalities are not about the haves and the have-nots. Thats just the final manifestation. Its all about the did's, and the did nots. Some people studied, saved, worked two jobs, made themselves valuable. Others did not.
 
ric27 said:
America is a land founded on the principle of opportunity.

Wealth inequalities are not about the haves and the have-nots. Thats just the final manifestation. Its all about the did's, and the did nots. Some people studied, saved, worked two jobs, made themselves valuable. Others did not.
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But that goes both ways.

SOME people took those hard working peoples 401k's you're talking about, gambled them on the stock market, burned the house down and walked away rich as hell while those hard working people lost their savings, their house and their job and are now being demonized as mooching, unemployed bums who should lose their unemployment benefits so that the guy who ****ed them over can get more tax breaks.
 
ric27 said:
America is a land founded on the principle of opportunity.

Wealth inequalities are not about the haves and the have-nots. Thats just the final manifestation. Its all about the did's, and the did nots. Some people studied, saved, worked two jobs, made themselves valuable. Others did not.
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You're full of it, considering african americans didnt have representation even halfway through the 20th century, and had educations witheld from them for centuries, had their family units destroyed when they came to America, were segregated into inferior schools until about 40 years ago, I dont think your did - did not's claim has any validity. Your argument is to preserve face.
 
SE102 said:
You're full of it, considering african americans didnt have representation even halfway through the 20th century, and had educations witheld from them for centuries, had their family units destroyed when they came to America, were segregated into inferior schools until about 40 years ago, I dont think your did - did not's claim has any validity. Your argument is to preserve face.
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You're such a revisionist :coffeepap
 
ric27 said:
Its all about the did's, and the did nots. Some people studied, saved, worked two jobs, made themselves valuable.
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The "did" and "did not" thing is a surface analysis of the situation or any situation really. The problem is that when you say it's all about "doing" you ignore the answers to many important questions: What makes people do? Is it easier for some people to do than others? Do all people get the same tools to "do" from society (i.e. education, part of a dominant social group)? What are the societal expectations of those who "do" and "do not" and do they impact one's drive?

In other words, yes, in one way, it is about "the dids and did nots". However, if you ignore that paths that bring people to "do" and "not do", you ignore 90% of the equation. The path is what you're ignoring. People don't just go from child to success or child to failure. There is a path between those two points.
 
Why do Conservatives suddenly care about the high unemployment rate among the black population. IDK... but I am sure it as absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the president is a democrat who also happens to be black. Definitely not.
 
American said:
Being a liberal, I think you ought be ashamed to admit you're confused. Supposedly you people have been looking out for blacks since at least the 1960's. So what the hell are you doing?
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Yeah, this thread is about race... so much for giving the conservatives the benefit of the ****ing doubt.
 
SheWolf said:
Why do Conservatives suddenly care about the high unemployment rate among the black population. IDK... but I am sure it as absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the president is a democrat who also happens to be black. Definitely not.
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As you obviously are aware THEY DO NOT CARE. Its only something for them to use as part of their right wing crusade to gain complete control of the government and roll back nearly every political advancement and reform since Teddy Roosevelt.
 
SE102 said:
You're full of it, considering african americans didnt have representation even halfway through the 20th century, and had educations witheld from them for centuries, had their family units destroyed when they came to America, were segregated into inferior schools until about 40 years ago, I dont think your did - did not's claim has any validity. Your argument is to preserve face.
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Let's test that sob story against Vietnamese boat people.
 
Jetboogieman said:
SOME people took those hard working peoples 401k's you're talking about, gambled them on the stock market, burned the house down and walked away rich as hell.
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Is this your subtle way of telling us that you've now joined the TEA Party and Governor Palin and that you're very upset about the permanent leadership class looking out for themselves by robbing all of society to make up for their reckless behavior?
 
Councilman said:
There are many reasons for this including the Welfare system, lack of education, poor role models, and some bad parenting.

The Welfare system was set up to replace blatant racism and to hold minorities back, the lack of education is excused, by telling those who fail that it's someone Else's fault, rather telling them all they have to do to succeed is work at it.
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Welfare was setup to hold minorities back and force whites to support them... as if they are the only ****ing race collecting welfare.
And was this Welfare hold 'em down scheme before or after the US government invented aids to kill black people?
 
theplaydrive said:
The "did" and "did not" thing is a surface analysis of the situation or any situation really. The problem is that when you say it's all about "doing" you ignore the answers to many important questions: What makes people do? Is it easier for some people to do than others? Do all people get the same tools to "do" from society (i.e. education, part of a dominant social group)? What are the societal expectations of those who "do" and "do not" and do they impact one's drive?

In other words, yes, in one way, it is about "the dids and did nots". However, if you ignore that paths that bring people to "do" and "not do", you ignore 90% of the equation. The path is what you're ignoring. People don't just go from child to success or child to failure. There is a path between those two points.
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I stand by my assertion that poverty is a choice in the U.S.
 
ric27 said:
I stand by my assertion that poverty is a choice in the U.S.
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If you make such a Black and White declaration then your rigidity of position forces you to be in the wrong when someone pulls up a case of poverty not being a result of choice.

There is a large element of truth to your position, but you need to frame it in terms of probability, not absolutes.
 
ric27 said:
I stand by my assertion that poverty is a choice in the U.S.
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If everyone started with the same resources, opportunity and standing in society and if everyone had the same exact experiences in the same exact order as everyone else, then you would be right. Unfortunately, that's not how it works, so you're assertion disregards a large part of the human experience.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Then you have no credibility whatsoever.
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lol...


Just an example

A man has a skill and experience that allows him to make up to $20 an hour. He *chooses* to get drunk, drive, get disorderly and belligerent with authorities and gets himself thrown in jail. He finally loses his DL (unfortunately it takes three DUI's to get there) and cannot find work. He has a wife and three kids. He's f'cked himself over with the law so much he can't get in the military.

Some girl thinks dropping out of school is the cool thing to do. She chooses to get high, drink, get slapped in jail, and loses her DL. Fortunately for her she has ample people skills so she can work as a telemarketer. Not minimum wage, but working poor. She's married to the prick above.

That does not mean every individual struggling to make ends meet made a conscious decision to live that way, but most of the time they just let it happen to themselves and then wind up wondering how the hell they got into the ****.

At some point people either get it or they don't.

How to motivate people to try harder and move up in the food chain?
 
RiverDad said:
If you make such a Black and White declaration then your rigidity of position forces you to be in the wrong when someone pulls up a case of poverty not being a result of choice.

There is a large element of truth to your position, but you need to frame it in terms of probability, not absolutes.
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Agreed. The post was written on the fly
 
SE102 said:
You're full of it, considering african americans didnt have representation even halfway through the 20th century, and had educations witheld from them for centuries, had their family units destroyed when they came to America, were segregated into inferior schools until about 40 years ago, I dont think your did - did not's claim has any validity. Your argument is to preserve face.
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Today is 2011 not 1640 or 1840 or 1940.

Its time to pick up and move on. Nobody is going to hand success to anyone.
 
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