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Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

AdamT said:
Yeah, that's pretty much what I said above. Unfortunately a lot of kids don't have the benefit of good parents.
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Public schools and the people behind them....wake up

Liberals are notorious for antisemitism. They also run the committees that develop the curriculum for the state school districts and the editors for most educational publishing companies know who their audience is. Liberals write our history while patriots and conservatives make it. That's just the system we've allowed to propagate. My advice to combat it would be to seek homeschooling or take out a loan and in a private school that you know is squared away.

There is not an easy fix. One will spend alot of time and/or money re-educating, the kid and fixing the intellectual damage he/she receives at a public school.
 
AdamT said:
Perhaps, but I don't think they were doing all that well when the do-badders had them in chains and segregated schools.
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At least the families were still intact. The do-gooders simply recreated the plantation.

Reminds me of that line from Glory: "they're just children...little monkey children".
 
AdamT said:
Perhaps, but I don't think they were doing all that well when the do-badders had them in chains and segregated schools.
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Black marriage rate:

1940 = 77%
1960 = 78%
1970 = 64%
1980 = 48%
1990 = 39%
2000 = 28%
 
drz-400 said:
So if we attempt to change reality by using something like equal opportunity employment are you opposed?
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We can look elsewhere for examples of how other societies are dealing with the cancer of multiculturalism. Do you favor this type of solution as is being proposed in Ontario:


Premier Dalton McGuinty's Liberals plan to entice businesses into hiring new immigrants with a $10,000 tax credit.

But an audio recording of a conference call, heard by QMI Agency, reveals that a senior Liberal strategist is concerned about "potential blowback" if the opposition portrays the election goodie for newcomers as an affirmative action plan.

Another strategist says the program would be capped to prevent it from running amok.

The conference call was held Sunday - one day before the Liberals unveil their election platform.

The tax credit apparently addresses the complaint from newcomers that they struggle to get work experience in Ontario.

It's unclear how well the program would be received by Ontarians, who were skeptical about affirmative action programs introduced by Ontario's former NDP government in the early 1990s.​


Silly Canadians. They didn't learn from our problems and they purposely loaded a syringe with cancer cells and injecting their society. Now they're dealing with a self-inflicted problem. Their solution is to have Canadian taxpayer money being spent on enticing employers to favor newcomers to Canada instead of hiring the best qualified candidates for the job thus disadvantaging native born Canadians in the job application process.

Do you imagine that something like this proposal is needed here?
 
SeattleRain said:
What does this prove?
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Maybe, the fading influence of traditional Christian values
Maybe younger generation Black Americans simply dont want to get married.
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Remember, when you flush Christianity, you flush all the good stuff too. Like The Golden Rule and the Calvinistic work ethic....
 
apdst said:
So, fugitive slaves laws were passed to harm black people?

I love when Libbos equate slavery to racism. :roll:
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So your saying that slavery isn't a racist system?

Wow.. this is just sad.

Also, yes, fugitive slave laws harmed black people.

Do yourself a favor and brush up on your American history.
 
ric27 said:
Maybe, the fading influence of traditional Christian values


Remember, when you flush Christianity, you flush all the good stuff too. Like The Golden Rule and the Calvinistic work ethic....
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Well, "traditional christian values" really have nothing to do with "Marriage". For starters, once the love is gone, "Marriage" is NOTHING MORE than a legal binding contract. What makes a "Marriage" "legal" is the contract that binds husband and wife together till "death do they part" or a judge dissolves it. So, being "married" means nothing but "legality", really. What makes a "Marriage" "valid" is LOVE. You dont NEED a legal binding contract to love someone. Many people never get "married" and live long satisfying lives together.

"Traditional Christian values" are shaky as well. Take Polygamy. God accepted and blessed Polygamous marriages: Genesis 26:34 & 28:9, II Chronicles 13:21, for example.

and even same sex marriage is supported in the Bible: in 1 Samuel 18:21 Jonathan’s father referres to David as his son in law. (one example)

"Tradition" also says men are obligated to marry the women they rape: Deuteronomy 22:28-30

Jesus encouraged his followers to abandon their homes and domestic duties: Matthew 19:29; Mark 10:28-30; Luke 9:57-62

Some choose NOT to get married FOR the sake of Heaven: Matthew 19:10-13

And Paul says if we are not already Married we shouldnt seek a wife because when we get married our focus is on our spouse, not God. If we do get married though, its not a sin. BUT, the married will face many years of earthy trouble : 1 Corinthians 7:27

Clearly the Bible doesn't even know where it stands on Marriage. I think people like to believe God is missing and that's why there are so many divorces and meaningless sexual relationships. Perhaps that makes it easier to bear, but in all honesty, PEOPLE are responsible for declining marriage rates and high divorce rates. God has nothing to do with it.
 
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Talk about a thread chock full of racism. Damn:shock::(:roll::(
 
Kali said:
Talk about a thread chock full of racism. Damn:shock::(:roll::(
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It looks and smells and tastes like racism but its actually the taste of freedom in the face of liberal racism of trying to fight racism...
 
SeattleRain said:
"Traditional Christian values" are shaky as well.
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I'll defer to the Christians here and let them argue the Bible and it's interpretations with you, but I will address your false equivalence between "traditional Christian values" and The Bible. Christian values arise form both principle and from the community that develops around Christianity. The Catholic Church has been instrumental in creating the religious expectation amongst its flock that marriage was the path that all must take and they built a communion of people who had that in common and helped to perpetuate that value across generations. Then, after the Protestant Reformation, the Churches which arose also took that mission onto themselves.

As the social influence of organized religion has declined we've also seen the decline in marriage. It's not far-fetched to hypothesize that there exists a causal relationship.
 
SeattleRain said:
Well, "traditional christian values" really have nothing to do with "Marriage".
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I'm not advocating more religious faith in governance. Nope




Hmmm...lets say you are going to move, and have a choice of 3 vicinities to move to. All three have active home owners associations who are known to make up and enforce all sorts of off the wall crap. Keep that in mind when you make your choice. Your choices are :

Area 1 - an American Christian neighborhood. Most of them go to church on Sunday, most of them put up Christmas decorations after Thanksgiving. The kids all go trick-or-treating at Halloween.

Area 2 - an American Muslim neighborhood. The women all wear some sort of head scarf. Everyone goes to the Mosque. They do not celebrate traditional American holidays.

Area 3 - a secular progressive neighborhood. Most of them are politically active. One of their members successfully sued the local high school to forced them to rename their "Christmas Dance" to "Winter Celebration". They have several "Diversity Celebrations" every year that are "all inclusive"....inclusive of everything but *white* heterosexual Christians.

All other things being equal, which neighborhood do you move to?
 
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ric27 said:
I'm not advocating more religious faith in governance. Nope




Hmmm...lets say you are going to move, and have a choice of 3 vicinities to move to. All three have active home owners associations who are known to make up and enforce all sorts of off the wall crap. Keep that in mind when you make your choice. Your choices are :

Area 1 - an American Christian neighborhood. Most of them go to church on Sunday, most of them put up Christmas decorations after Thanksgiving. The kids all go trick-or-treating at Halloween.

Area 2 - an American Muslim neighborhood. The women all wear some sort of head scarf. Everyone goes to the Mosque. They do not celebrate traditional American holidays.

Area 3 - a secular progressive neighborhood. Most of them are politically active. One of their members successfully sued the local high school to forced them to rename their "Christmas Dance" to "Winter Celebration". They have several "Diversity Celebrations" every year that are "all inclusive"....inclusive of everything but *white* heterosexual Christians.

All other things being equal, which neighborhood do you move to?
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You might want to think about adding the proviso that the move is permanent so that we can avoid what is going on now where liberal Californians, for instance, having crapped in their nest by voting for inane liberal policies, decide that California is a basketcase and then they move to a Red State and proceed to vote for the same types of inane liberal policies.
 
SeattleRain - A very large segment of the human population moderates their behavior and doesn't cheat, steal, rape, rob, murder, etc. only because of fear. Fear of ridicule or prison, fines or death. Or, fear that even if no one catches them, their God will see it and punish them. Some people do what is right just because they believe it to be right. Without fear of punishment if they do wrong. They are the minority.

The positive effects of Christian influence on public morality has been better for society than no religion or any other religion. And if you disagree, rebut the point with an example.
 
Just a reminder - I'm not going to debate whether Christianity is a good religion, whether there is a God or it's all delusion, etc.
 
RiverDad said:
I'll defer to the Christians here and let them argue the Bible and it's interpretations with you, but I will address your false equivalence between "traditional Christian values" and The Bible. Christian values arise form both principle and from the community that develops around Christianity. The Catholic Church has been instrumental in creating the religious expectation amongst its flock that marriage was the path that all must take and they built a communion of people who had that in common and helped to perpetuate that value across generations. Then, after the Protestant Reformation, the Churches which arose also took that mission onto themselves.

As the social influence of organized religion has declined we've also seen the decline in marriage. It's not far-fetched to hypothesize that there exists a causal relationship.
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Why do you think Priests and Nuns aren't married? The Bible, or the "Christian Handbook", clearly states that 'Marriage' is intended for people who are sexually 'loose' and though not a sin, God prefers we NOT get married. Its as clear in the Bible as any other Biblical "fact" Conservatives throwback to when trying to prove a point.

As to marriage declining as social influence of O. Religion declines ... no proof one has to do with the other. Again, people use God to ease the 'blow' when dealing with things. Perhaps your marriage is good BECAUSE of God, but for me, my marriage is good because I put in 100% and my husband puts in 100%. Not because "god is blessing" my marriage. Why would my marriage be more worthy of blessings than one where a woman is getting the living crap beat out of her? And, perhaps your marriage failed because it "wasn't in Gods plan" or because "Satan" had a stronghold ... but for me, it would be because one of us stopped giving 100% to the marriage. For some people, they can do nothing without God... but for me, I can do everything without him. I think the more productive solution for humans would be to stop using, blaming and crediting God for everything and take some personal responsibility over our lives.
 
Area 2 - an American Muslim neighborhood. The women all wear some sort of head scarf. Everyone goes to the Mosque. They do not celebrate traditional American holidays.
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Most musims Ive met celebrate traditional american holidays.
 
SeattleRain said:
Why do you think Priests and Nuns aren't married? The Bible, or the "Christian Handbook", clearly states that 'Marriage' is intended for people who are sexually 'loose' and though not a sin, God prefers we NOT get married. Its as clear in the Bible as any other Biblical "fact" Conservatives throwback to when trying to prove a point.

As to marriage declining as social influence of O. Religion declines ... no proof one has to do with the other. Again, people use God to ease the 'blow' when dealing with things. Perhaps your marriage is good BECAUSE of God, but for me, my marriage is good because I put in 100% and my husband puts in 100%. Not because "god is blessing" my marriage. Why would my marriage be more worthy of blessings than one where a woman is getting the living crap beat out of her? And, perhaps your marriage failed because it "wasn't in Gods plan" or because "Satan" had a stronghold ... but for me, it would be because one of us stopped giving 100% to the marriage. For some people, they can do nothing without God... but for me, I can do everything without him. I think the more productive solution for humans would be to stop using, blaming and crediting God for everything and take some personal responsibility over our lives.
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I think you're missing the point completely.

Here's an example. Cheating on a spouse. Not illegal in our secular "rule of law" society. Certainly negative behavior, with hugely detrimental effects for everyone concerned.

Before this sort of "secular revaluation" that happened in the 60's, behavior of that sort happened, but there was a social stigma associated with it. It was an activity that you just not ought get involved in because that's what scumbags did.

You see, there was a social "soft control" put on that particular negative behavior. A sense of shame. And since that "soft control" has been removed by the same secular "get away with what you can as long as it's not illegal" attitude that's now the rule in America, it turns out that behavior has become increasingly common.
 
SE102 said:
It looks and smells and tastes like racism but its actually the taste of freedom in the face of liberal racism of trying to fight racism...
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Freedom can only be won if you are given a chance. So I would say no you are very wrong about how the real world Works.
 
ric27 said:
I think you're missing the point completely.

Here's an example. Cheating on a spouse. Not illegal in our secular "rule of law" society. Certainly negative behavior, with hugely detrimental effects for everyone concerned.

Before this sort of "secular revaluation" that happened in the 60's, behavior of that sort happened, but there was a social stigma associated with it. It was an activity that you just not ought get involved in because that's what scumbags did.

You see, there was a social "soft control" put on that particular negative behavior. A sense of shame. And since that "soft control" has been removed by the same secular "get away with what you can as long as it's not illegal" attitude that's now the rule in America, it turns out that behavior has become increasingly common.
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And so people should live in fear of "social stigma"? When it comes to "soft control": if there were some "soft order" marriages might be saved? lol. So CONTROL people into behaving properly in a marriage? Where is the "personal responsibility" at? I'd rather not be cheated on because my husband didn't have the desire to cheat on me, not because "soft control" made him afraid of "social stigma" ... and I'd rather he married me in the first place because he wanted to marry me, not because it was the 'thing' to do.

Tell me: How does a "small government" conservative even suggest "soft control", or "control" period, as an answer to anything?

Bottom line: who cares if marriage is declining .. it doesn't mean people LOVE each other less! And "Marriage" doesn't guarantee love anyway. Love can have NOTHING to do with a marriage or it can have EVERYTHING to do with a Marriage. Remember, "marriage" is a legal contract between to people. Its LOVE that gives it "Godly" validation.
People really shouldn't rely on others for behavior modification. They should take responsibility for their own actions instead of blaming God, Satan or a lack of "social control". People have choices ... if you cheat on your spouse its because you've chosen to all on your own, not because there's no "social control"
 
ric27 said:
I'm not advocating more religious faith in governance. Nope




Hmmm...lets say you are going to move, and have a choice of 3 vicinities to move to. All three have active home owners associations who are known to make up and enforce all sorts of off the wall crap. Keep that in mind when you make your choice. Your choices are :

Area 1 - an American Christian neighborhood. Most of them go to church on Sunday, most of them put up Christmas decorations after Thanksgiving. The kids all go trick-or-treating at Halloween.

Area 2 - an American Muslim neighborhood. The women all wear some sort of head scarf. Everyone goes to the Mosque. They do not celebrate traditional American holidays.

Area 3 - a secular progressive neighborhood. Most of them are politically active. One of their members successfully sued the local high school to forced them to rename their "Christmas Dance" to "Winter Celebration". They have several "Diversity Celebrations" every year that are "all inclusive"....inclusive of everything but *white* heterosexual Christians.

All other things being equal, which neighborhood do you move to?
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The one with no Religious Dogma. The progressive one. But I dont see why you're bringing "white" into the issue. People who dont believe in God dont hate whites lol, nor do they hate heterosexuals. As far as the "christian" part, well yeah, why would secular progressives want hard core Christians moving in? Christians wouldn't want secular progressives moving into the neighborhood and bring Satan with them either so big deal. But you added those other two under the Secular Progressive option for what reason? It's not even a realistic scenario. Why would all races be included EXCEPT whites?
 
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ric27 said:
SeattleRain - A very large segment of the human population moderates their behavior and doesn't cheat, steal, rape, rob, murder, etc. only because of fear. Fear of ridicule or prison, fines or death. Or, fear that even if no one catches them, their God will see it and punish them. Some people do what is right just because they believe it to be right. Without fear of punishment if they do wrong. They are the minority.

The positive effects of Christian influence on public morality has been better for society than no religion or any other religion. And if you disagree, rebut the point with an example.
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If God is what numbs pain, or brings joy to people that's fine. I couldn't careless. But values, principal and morals can be strong, and taught without the assistance of 'God'. I grew up in VERY conservative Christian SW Oklahoma. Believe me when I tell you I knew PLENTY of girls from WHOLESOME christian families, who attended bible school and church their whole lives ... and guess what they were doing Saturday night with their best friend(s)? They weren't memorizing scripture for Sunday, I can promise you that.

If "Christian influence" is so great, why do the Christian southern states have the highest divorce rates?

Delaware, District of Columbia, Florida, Georgia, Maryland, North and South Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia, Alabama, Kentucky, Mississippi, Tennessee, Arkansas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, and Texas are considered the "Southern States" by US Census. They have the highest divorce rates with Conservative Christian OKLAHOMA taking the LEAD. I understand there are more marriages in those states, but if "Christian influence" is so powerful, why do the most CHRISTIAN states in the union have such high divorce rates.. while the secular known states are lower?
 
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