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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

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    As a matter of fact Eugenics and Abortion have a great deal to with prejudices against Black people. You apparently don't understand the connection between Eugenics, Abortion, Black people and don't want to learn about it.

    Self censorship appears to be the only way the Left can maintain their views and yet still have them make any sense to them.
    Eugenics in the U.S. had its roots in social darwinism -- the darling of today's right wing. We could argue for days about who started it, but IMO there's no question that rhetoric used to support eugenics is anathema to *today's* liberal/progressive, but mirrors the rhetoric used by some of today's extreme right wingers.

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Eugenics in the U.S. had its roots in social darwinism -- the darling of today's right wing. We could argue for days about who started it, but IMO there's no question that rhetoric used to support eugenics is anathema to *today's* liberal/progressive, but mirrors the rhetoric used by some of today's extreme right wingers.
    Your use of the term "social Darwinism" is quite unclear and contradictory because Sanger and her supporters were not allowing Darwin's 'survival of the fittest' idea to play itself out. Instead they were interfering in the natural process.

    Where is "the rhetoric used by some of today's extreme right wingers" regarding Eugenics, birth control, abortion , etc. If you take a look at the "pro life" movement I doubt you'll find many who support Eugenics, or abortion. It is not the Left who has traditionally been against any of this; quite the opposite in fact.

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Your use of the term "social Darwinism" is quite unclear and contradictory because Sanger and her supporters were not allowing Darwin's 'survival of the fittest' idea to play itself out. Instead they were interfering in the natural process.

    Where is "the rhetoric used by some of today's extreme right wingers" regarding Eugenics, birth control, abortion , etc. If you take a look at the "pro life" movement I doubt you'll find many who support Eugenics, or abortion. It is not the Left who has traditionally been against any of this; quite the opposite in fact.
    Eugenics was basically seen as a sciencey way to speed up natural selection, coupled with white supremacist beliefs. Whites were thought to be superior, but not breeding fast enough. Today's white supremacists are right-wing extremists.

    "The concept of the feeble-minded menace provided a way to make the rural families, who were neither institutionalized, foreign, nor "colored," into people who were "different" from the eugenicists. Underlying the family studies and the myth of the feeble-minded menace was the theory of Social Darwinism, which assumed the existence of a struggle between the individual and society, and of an adversarial relationship between the fit and unfit classes. Eugenical family studies and social Darwinism both involved a transmutation of nature into biology and the eugenics movement frequently acknowledged its debt to Social Darwinism.

    The deeply conservative implications of such philosophies included the rejection of government welfare programs or protective legislation on the grounds that such reforms as poorhouses, orphanages, bread lines, and eight-hour days enabled the unfit to survive and weakened society as a whole. From the beginning, the eugenics movement accepted the regressive implications of Social Darwinism. Karl Pearson believed that "such measures as the minimum wage, the eight-hour day, free medical advice, and reductions in infant mortality encouraged an increase in unemployables, degenerates, and physical and mental weaklings."

    Pearson's friend, Havelock Ellis, known as a sex radical and free thinker, shared Pearson's elitist views, writing in his 1911 eugenicist book, The Problem of Race Regeneration, "These classes, with their tendency to weak-mindedness, their inborn laziness, lack of vitality, and unfitness for organized activity, contain the people who complain they are starving for want of work, though they will never perform any work that is given them." Ellis suggested in the same book that all public relief be denied to second generation paupers unless they "voluntarily consented" to be surgically sterilized.

    One American eugenicist said harshly:

    "The so-called charitable people who give to begging children and women with baskets have a vast sin to answer for. It is from them that this pauper element gets its consent to exist. . . .So-called charity joins public relief in producing stillborn children, raising prostitutes, and educating criminals."

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    Hmmm, sound familiar?
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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Eugenics was basically seen as a sciencey way to speed up natural selection, coupled with white supremacist beliefs. Whites were thought to be superior, but not breeding fast enough. Today's white supremacists are right-wing extremists.
    Actually, you'll find that it is the Left who feel Blacks are inferior and in need of special programs to help them along. It s the right who feel they are quite capable of standing on their own and any help they might need can come from a helping hand, rather than more government programs institutionalizing them as second class citizens.

    Abortions, which are obviously supported by the Left, has decimated the Black community, just as the surely as LBJ's Great Society programs contributed so much in breaking up Black families.

    There are no doubt right wing supremeists, but the Left wing's 'soft' racism has done more damage to the Black Community than any knuckle dragging white supremacist can ever do. The Black community can handle these guys easily, but the institutionalized racism of the Democrats is harder to overcome, and far more destructive over the long term/.

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Actually, you'll find that it is the Left who feel Blacks are inferior and in need of special programs to help them along. It s the right who feel they are quite capable of standing on their own and any help they might need can come from a helping hand, rather than more government programs institutionalizing them as second class citizens.

    Abortions, which are obviously supported by the Left, has decimated the Black community, just as the surely as LBJ's Great Society programs contributed so much in breaking up Black families.

    There are no doubt right wing supremeists, but the Left wing's 'soft' racism has done more damage to the Black Community than any knuckle dragging white supremacist can ever do. The Black community can handle these guys easily, but the institutionalized racism of the Democrats is harder to overcome, and far more destructive over the long term/.
    Actually the left makes no racial distinctions in standing for a strong social safety net. Why would they when most welfare recipients are white?

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Actually, you'll find that it is the Left who feel Blacks are inferior and in need of special programs to help them along.
    Yes... in the demented psycho fairy lala land of your political conceptions all of which are entirely illusory.
    And BTW when I taste your mind I can...

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Actually the left makes no racial distinctions in standing for a strong social safety net. Why would they when most welfare recipients are white?
    Most because the population is more, percentage-wise it's just the opposite.
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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Actually the left makes no racial distinctions in standing for a strong social safety net. Why would they when most welfare recipients are white?
    Actually, if you watch the usual campaign rhetoric, you'll often see members of the Democratic Party making their political pitch along racial lines. Have you never really notice this?

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Actually, if you watch the usual campaign rhetoric, you'll often see members of the Democratic Party making their political pitch along racial lines. Have you never really notice this?
    Yes, their constituency happens to be diverse... but Im sure that its that all the coloreds are hooked on the government handouts.

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Most because the population is more, percentage-wise it's just the opposite.
    Nonetheless, approximately two-thirds of welfare recipients are white -- not black. Welfare is not a program for blacks, and of course liberals aren't trying to keep white or black people down.

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