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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    This is your history, own it. All those rubes in the Churches were adamantly opposed to Eugenics for it violated God's laws - man was interfering with procreation, eugenics was treating man like he was an animal to be bred. It was the Progressives and the Socialists who went bonkers for this idea. There is no revisionism here - the records are very clear on this. The fact that you don't like it means squat.
    It's not a matter of disliking it. I can't stand Maoism, but I freely admit that it's a left-wing ideology. It's matter of what is and what isn't and the fact that your logic is "the Churches didn't like it so it MUST be all about the left" is blatantly stupid, particularly since the Catholic Church is not all "Churches" and since many religious organizations and leaders did, in fact, support eugenics. Here's an apology from the United Methodist Church for supporting it back in the day.

    Eugenics was supported by much of the progressive movement and it was also supported by most of those outside of the progressive movement. It was a nationally supported idea. The Immigration Act of 1924 was one of the central pieces of eugenic legislation and it was passed in the Senate 62-6. Twenty-nine states created marriage restriction laws based on eugenics. Moreover, there was immense public support for eugenics which is why it became such a part of society and government action.

    GovTrack: Senate Vote #126 (May 15, 1924)

    If you want to talk revisionism, then take a look at what the Smithsonian Museum has done with their revision of Sanger's history:
    How does this prove that eugenics was a progressive movement and not simply a popular idea in the United States in general. You're so bad at this.

    I don't need to lie about any of your posts. I destroy them just fine by using your own words against you.
    You don't destroy things you distort them. I'm starting to think you really believe your own hype.

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

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    Unlike labor unions in the West, Soviet trade unions were, in fact, actually governmental organizations whose chief aim was not to represent workers but to further the goals of management, government, and the CPSU. As such, they were partners of management in attempting to promote labor discipline, worker morale, and productivity. Unions organized "socialist competitions" and awarded prizes for fulfilling quotas.


    You pointing to the Nazis disbanding labor unions as a sign that they weren't truly socialist kind of fails when worker interests in the socialist motherland were similarly jettisoned overboard.
    The Nazis had a unique ideological approach in which they hated communists and capitalists at the same time, in theory. But were a little collectivist and capitalist at the same time, in order to build their army and society.
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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post



    Unlike labor unions in the West, Soviet trade unions were, in fact, actually governmental organizations whose chief aim was not to represent workers but to further the goals of management, government, and the CPSU. As such, they were partners of management in attempting to promote labor discipline, worker morale, and productivity. Unions organized "socialist competitions" and awarded prizes for fulfilling quotas.


    You pointing to the Nazis disbanding labor unions as a sign that they weren't truly socialist kind of fails when worker interests in the socialist motherland were similarly jettisoned overboard.
    Not really, given the fact that Germany was nothing like the USSR. Unions are prevalent in most, if not all, socialist-leaning European countries. This is typical conservative double dealing. Conservatives in the U.S. accuse Obama of being a socialist because of his supposed support for unions, but Hitler's antagonism to unions says nothing about HIS socialist tendencies.

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Jonah Goldberg -- now there's an unbiased source.
    Are facts biased or so they speak for themselves

    Where are the errors in Jonah Goldberg's speech?

    The fact is that there aren't any and you're hoping that a goofy symbol will serve as cover for your lack of knowledge..

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Eugenics wasn't a "progressive" movement - that revisionism.
    Really? Who is that generally supports abortion, another form of eugenics, the Left or the Right? You'll find that "progressives" have always been on the side of birth control of some sort, and now the B;lack babies are aborted more frequently than any other social or racial group, just as many eugenicists favored..
    Regardless, take out eugenics and you're still left with nationalism,
    Nationalism, even moreso than Eugenics, remains an unspecifdied threat to Leftists but is seldom defined. Where are the dangers and how realistic is that charge today?


    rejection of social equality/egalitarianism, rejection of trade unionism, supremacist ideals and targeted removal or execution of left-wing members - all prominent aspects of Nazism and right-wing extremism.
    All aspects of right wing extremism where?


    Dude, every group thinks they have something against opposing groups. However, left-wing ideology primarily advocates social equality and right-wing ideology, particularly extremist right-wing ideology, rejects this nation and enters into supremacist ideals particularly with regards to ethno-national groups.
    Where are you finding these groups? How does left wing ideology advocate social equality while promoting rights for one cultural or racial group over another?

    I see cliches here but no examples.


    Nationalism is bottom-line a right wing ideology. I'm not interested in your rationalizations. Germany was a very just straight up nationalistic nation and that can't be softened with your "but it was really about socialism" talk.


    Please show me where I said that militarism was strictly a right-wing phenomenon.

    Also, I'm still waiting for you to admit that you lied about one of my previous posts.[/QUOTE]

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    He clearly was not a socialist. He often crticized Marx.
    So true Socialists cannot criticize Marx?

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Really? Who is that generally supports abortion, another form of eugenics
    I stopped reading here, but thanks for making this ridiculous point at the start so I didn't have to waste my time reading the rest.

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I stopped reading here, but thanks for making this ridiculous point at the start so I didn't have to waste my time reading the rest.
    At least you were able to get to the point.

    The self censorship you practice is probably the best way to remain in your present state.

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    At least you were able to get to the point.

    The self censorship you practice is probably the best way to remain in your present state.
    Eh, I actually get to my "state" by reading reliable sources of information, not silly rants on the internet by people who clearly don't know what the hell they're talking about.

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Eh, I actually get to my "state" by reading reliable sources of information, not silly rants on the internet by people who clearly don't know what the hell they're talking about.

    Without debating here the truth or untruth of Christianity, Josh McDowell wrote a book titled "Evidence that demands a verdict, Historical evidence for the Christian Faith". In his forward I believe, he relates an incident in which he was speaking before a college class. The professor was an avowed atheist. After putting out all of the facts, he asked the professor if he could refute any of them. The professor answered, "No." So McDowell asked him if he now believed and again, the professor answered, "No." When asked why, he said he chose not to.

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