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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I only open myself to intellectual debate with those who show they are prepared for it.
    LOL!! If you were to be poster boy for intellectual powers here, Mate, the board would have died long ago,

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    An earlier example given was the Vietnamese boat people who had no resources whatsoever, apart from their own determination to make good. You should have read the post.
    I read the post and it has no impact on anything I've said. Do you realize that black Americans who emigrate to other countries fare well in their new states (when they might have done worse here) just as immigrants from other places to the US tend to fare well here (when they might have done worse in their home state)? Your problem is that you draw conclusions without analyzing all of the factors that influence a particular phenomenon and that severely detracts from your arguments.

    There are also people who have been born with every opportunity but go on to have failed and unhappy lives. Asking the government to make everything equal, including outcome, ignores the human spirit which exists in all of us and which should get the opportunity to express itself. That's really the American Dream, to my mind. Just to be whatever you can be and to take pride in that.
    1. You're right some people are born with everything and they fail, but the norm for those born with everything is to succeed and the norm for those born with nothing is to fail. That's not a coincidence.
    2. Equality does not deny the human spirit, it ensures that everyone has the same opportunity to fully realize it.
    3. That's a great dream. It's to bad that not everyone has the same opportunity to realize it.

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    LOL!! If you were to be poster boy for intellectual powers here, Mate, the board would have died long ago,
    That hurts.

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    Where is everybody getting all this extraordinary acheivement of the Vietnamese? Sure a lot of them have become very successful, but alot of them haven't. They look pretty much like any other group.







    It's hard to find a lot of information because, the Vietnamese are usually grouped in with 'Asians'.
    Another thing from personal experience. The first time I tried to get a car loan I was told to go **** myself withou a cosigner. Two years at my job, real adult full time paycheck.

    Living in a neighborhood full of newly arrived boat people.

    And if they were driving, they were driving new cars. On credit. Hadn't been in the COUNTRY two years. Some kind of program guaranteeing loans.

    Pissed a lot of people off, usually at the Vietnamese themselves. Not me, after the crap they came from I got no problem with a little help. I was pissed at the system for hooking them up while denying me.

    Just saying that they did kinda get their 40 acres and a mule, so didn't exactly start with "nothing".
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    It's also true that immigrants tend to be higher achievers than those who stayed at home. It takes some guts and hard work, and some capital, to pick yourself up and move halfway around the world to pursue better opportunities abroad.

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Sure, everyone has the opportunity, but not everyone is born with the same resources, position in society (minority vs. majority, etc.), role models, etc. which means certain groups and individuals have a shorter distance to go in order to take advantage of that opportunity than others . Sure, almost anyone can overcome those disadvantages, but that doesn't mean the disadvantages aren't there.
    Another key word, I'm going to throw out...is incentive

    Lets say you magically create jobs for everyone in the country, but you leave the welfare/entitlement/ parasite system as is. How many would get off their asses and go work if they will still be taken care of for doing nothing?? Not many I would bet form my experiences.

    Why should they? The American laziness idea of getting something for nothing is the absolute way to go. They KNOW FOR A FACT that their kids will not starve, that no matter HOW MANY babies they make, if they do the right forms, they will get fed, clothed and housed. Why should they do anything different?


    People still go to prison and not worry about it because there is nothing to be afraid of, they get fed, educated, clothed and paid. If the cost of going to prison, for example, cost you a digit, a limb or a testicle (lol) for each incarceration, then maybe people might think twice about doing illegal ****. But again, where is the incentive to stop?

    Until people look in the mirror and say "****!, I'm gonna and my family will starve to death and be homeless unless I go out and work"... the bull**** will just stay the same.

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    Where is everybody getting all this extraordinary acheivement of the Vietnamese? Sure a lot of them have become very successful, but alot of them haven't. They look pretty much like any other group.
    "Look at the Vietnamese" =/ "They are at the top of the socioeconomic ladder," rather it means that "Look at them compared to African-Americans." The comparison is illuminating because most of these people were boatpeople refugees, didn't know the language, didn't know our culture, were peasants and not first world citizens, etc and all sorts of other disadvantages compared to African Americans. By any rational reckoning, with all of these disadvantages, the Vietnamese should be scrapping the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder. They're not.

    African American Household Income, 1999 = $29,423
    Vietnamese American Household Income, 1999 =$45,085
    American mean Household Income = 1999 = $41,994

    Workforce Participation Rate:
    African-American = 43%
    Vietnamese-American = 55.7%
    American mean = 49.33%

    Mean Value of Residence:
    African-American = $80,600
    Vietnamese-American = $151,400
    American mean = $119,600

    Disability Status:
    African-American = 21.27%
    Vietnamese-American = 19.82%
    American mean = 17.68%

    Families below poverty line (#Families/population)
    African-American = 5.13%
    Vietnamese-American = 3.11%
    American mean = 2.35%

    Individuals below poverty line
    African-American = 23.5%
    Vietnamese-American = 15.67%
    American mean = 12.05%
    Last edited by RiverDad; 09-12-11 at 05:05 PM.

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That seems to be what's being said. How often must it be repeated?

    What would a White Liberal know about the Black experience?
    I'm sure he has a couple black friends, which quailifies him in two ways: 1) He's not a racist and 2) He's an expert on black folks.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    And if they were driving, they were driving new cars. On credit. Hadn't been in the COUNTRY two years. Some kind of program guaranteeing loans.
    Church people like doing stuff like this. There is nothing stopping your from organizing a group and going into the 'hood and putting your signature on the dotted line as a guarantor for a car loan for any African-American who is without a car.

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Church people like doing stuff like this. There is nothing stopping your from organizing a group and going into the 'hood and putting your signature on the dotted line as a guarantor for a car loan for any African-American who is without a car.
    Right, you could call it Countrywide Car Loans.

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