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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And proving that you are in no way seriously wanting to discuss this honestly....Could have guessed that one from a mile away.

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    This is freakin incredible!....AMERICA, LAND OF OPPORTUNITIES.

    Get over the white, black, brown racism bs. The essence of capitalism is not just making ****ing money. It is the freedom to do whatever the **** you want, and to succeed or fail at what you want to do as the result of your skills, work, filling a need, etc. If you want to be a professional basketball player at 5' 6", you better be damn good. And if you are damn good, then you have the opportunity to succeed.

    EVERYONE has the opportunity to succeed
    Sure, everyone has the opportunity, but not everyone is born with the same resources, position in society (minority vs. majority, etc.), role models, etc. which means certain groups and individuals have a shorter distance to go in order to take advantage of that opportunity than others . Sure, almost anyone can overcome those disadvantages, but that doesn't mean the disadvantages aren't there.

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Well that was a post full of delusion. It doesn't even warrant a serious response.
    Really? Which part do you believe was 'delusional'. Any errors in fact?

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    It's Grant, get used to that.
    You want to snipe from a distance rather than debating the subject at hand?

    This is the way of the coward.

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Well, he knows a little more than most, having worked as a community organizer in Chicago for some years.
    BHO spent time in some of the best universities in the world in order to become a 'community organizer'? What the hell kind of job is that? Where is the community he organized and what does this community have to say about his organizational skills? The man is a fraud!

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Where is everybody getting all this extraordinary acheivement of the Vietnamese? Sure a lot of them have become very successful, but alot of them haven't. They look pretty much like any other group.


    Today, even as many still struggle with isolation, high poverty rates and persistent crime, particularly among low-income youth, some in the community are increasingly making their voices heard outside their ethnic enclaves -- and becoming more a part of the nation's fabric.
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    Citywide (San Jose), 13 percent of Vietnamese households received public assistance in 2000 compared to 4 percent of all households, census data show.
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    These struggles are obvious in Oakland, 40 miles north of San Jose, where more than one-third of the city's Vietnamese live below the poverty line and per capita income is half that of the overall population, census data show.

    The Vietnamese American Community : Asian-Nation :: Asian American History, Demographics, & Issues

    About 31.3 percent of Vietnamese immigrants lived in poverty in 2008 compared to 37.9 percent of all immigrants and 28.7 percent of the native born.

    Migration Information Source - Vietnamese Immigrants in the United States
    It's hard to find a lot of information because, the Vietnamese are usually grouped in with 'Asians'.
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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Tell me this, how come Vietnamese can come over here on a freaking boat, with almost no clothes or possessions, and within just a few years are running a business?
    For the same reason people from "insert any nation" can come over here and in a few years be running a business. This does not mean anything, nor does it address my statement.
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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Sure, everyone has the opportunity, but not everyone is born with the same resources, position in society (minority vs. majority, etc.), role models, etc. which means certain groups and individuals have a shorter distance to go in order to take advantage of that opportunity than others . Sure, almost anyone can overcome those disadvantages, but that doesn't mean the disadvantages aren't there.
    An earlier example given was the Vietnamese boat people who had no resources whatsoever, apart from their own determination to make good. You should have read the post.

    There are also people who have been born with every opportunity but go on to have failed and unhappy lives. Asking the government to make everything equal, including outcome, ignores the human spirit which exists in all of us and which should get the opportunity to express itself. That's really the American Dream, to my mind. Just to be whatever you can be and to take pride in that.

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    For the same reason people from "insert any nation" can come over here and in a few years be running a business. This does not mean anything, nor does it address my statement.
    What it does say is that when racism is institutionalized, as it is the case with Black people, it can do them more harm than good. That people can make it on their own without government getting involved and have been doing it throughout the history of the United States.

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

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    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    Where is everybody getting all this extraordinary acheivement of the Vietnamese? Sure a lot of them have become very successful, but alot of them haven't. They look pretty much like any other group.
    The point wasn't the Vietnamese as much as the idea that people can arrive with very little and still make good in their lives, and this is often most evident in the second generation.

    The Jewish example might have been used, or the Italian, Irish, Icelandic, or any cultural group. The Vietnamese were just more recent.

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