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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    You're full of it, considering african americans didnt have representation even halfway through the 20th century, and had educations witheld from them for centuries, had their family units destroyed when they came to America, were segregated into inferior schools until about 40 years ago, I dont think your did - did not's claim has any validity. Your argument is to preserve face.
    Let's test that sob story against Vietnamese boat people.

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    SOME people took those hard working peoples 401k's you're talking about, gambled them on the stock market, burned the house down and walked away rich as hell.
    Is this your subtle way of telling us that you've now joined the TEA Party and Governor Palin and that you're very upset about the permanent leadership class looking out for themselves by robbing all of society to make up for their reckless behavior?

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    There are many reasons for this including the Welfare system, lack of education, poor role models, and some bad parenting.

    The Welfare system was set up to replace blatant racism and to hold minorities back, the lack of education is excused, by telling those who fail that it's someone Else's fault, rather telling them all they have to do to succeed is work at it.
    Welfare was setup to hold minorities back and force whites to support them... as if they are the only ****ing race collecting welfare.
    And was this Welfare hold 'em down scheme before or after the US government invented aids to kill black people?

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    The "did" and "did not" thing is a surface analysis of the situation or any situation really. The problem is that when you say it's all about "doing" you ignore the answers to many important questions: What makes people do? Is it easier for some people to do than others? Do all people get the same tools to "do" from society (i.e. education, part of a dominant social group)? What are the societal expectations of those who "do" and "do not" and do they impact one's drive?

    In other words, yes, in one way, it is about "the dids and did nots". However, if you ignore that paths that bring people to "do" and "not do", you ignore 90% of the equation. The path is what you're ignoring. People don't just go from child to success or child to failure. There is a path between those two points.
    I stand by my assertion that poverty is a choice in the U.S.

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    I stand by my assertion that poverty is a choice in the U.S.
    Then you have no credibility whatsoever.

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    I stand by my assertion that poverty is a choice in the U.S.
    If you make such a Black and White declaration then your rigidity of position forces you to be in the wrong when someone pulls up a case of poverty not being a result of choice.

    There is a large element of truth to your position, but you need to frame it in terms of probability, not absolutes.

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    I stand by my assertion that poverty is a choice in the U.S.
    If everyone started with the same resources, opportunity and standing in society and if everyone had the same exact experiences in the same exact order as everyone else, then you would be right. Unfortunately, that's not how it works, so you're assertion disregards a large part of the human experience.

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Then you have no credibility whatsoever.
    lol...


    Just an example

    A man has a skill and experience that allows him to make up to $20 an hour. He *chooses* to get drunk, drive, get disorderly and belligerent with authorities and gets himself thrown in jail. He finally loses his DL (unfortunately it takes three DUI's to get there) and cannot find work. He has a wife and three kids. He's f'cked himself over with the law so much he can't get in the military.

    Some girl thinks dropping out of school is the cool thing to do. She chooses to get high, drink, get slapped in jail, and loses her DL. Fortunately for her she has ample people skills so she can work as a telemarketer. Not minimum wage, but working poor. She's married to the prick above.

    That does not mean every individual struggling to make ends meet made a conscious decision to live that way, but most of the time they just let it happen to themselves and then wind up wondering how the hell they got into the ****.

    At some point people either get it or they don't.

    How to motivate people to try harder and move up in the food chain?

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    If you make such a Black and White declaration then your rigidity of position forces you to be in the wrong when someone pulls up a case of poverty not being a result of choice.

    There is a large element of truth to your position, but you need to frame it in terms of probability, not absolutes.
    Agreed. The post was written on the fly

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    You're full of it, considering african americans didnt have representation even halfway through the 20th century, and had educations witheld from them for centuries, had their family units destroyed when they came to America, were segregated into inferior schools until about 40 years ago, I dont think your did - did not's claim has any validity. Your argument is to preserve face.
    Today is 2011 not 1640 or 1840 or 1940.

    Its time to pick up and move on. Nobody is going to hand success to anyone.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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