Conservatives believe the government is incompetent, and seek to elect people who will prove it
Ignorance is Bliss Bliss is the same as happiness US Christian conservatives are the happiest in the US according to studies Do you see a connection?
So a comparison of black-white in terms of unemployment needs to equalize for lower levels of black education level and mean level of group black IQ. We do see that when IQ is controlled for that income disparity evaporates, so it's plausible that in an environment where there is no discrimination being detected with regards to pay that there also would be some reduction in unemployment levels when skill and intelligence are controlled for.
It's completely fine to note that blacks have a higher level of unemployment than whites. The interesting question to me is why this is so. If some parties wish to suggest that this is because of discrimination, then I want them to prove that this is so, not simply assume it as the null hypothesis.
And I acknowledge your point and agree with it. As I noted, this is a process of probability which says nothing about any individual.You have basically contended that this is because these stereotypes are reality, aka they are valid. I say that they may be valid but unreliable.
We would still see that even in an environment devoid of stereotypes, see the first part of my comment. I will agree with you that this contributes a part of the problem, but it certainly is not the whole problem.I think that my opinion has more weight because we only use stereotypes if there is little other information, such as in the labor market. Due to the lack of information, this is clearly a problem in the labor market that cannot be fixed by individual employers or potential employees, otherwise we would not have black having persistently higher unemployment.
Racial wage disparity disappeared back in the 1970s when cognition as a confounding variable is controlled. Report from MANAGERIAL AND DECISION ECONOMICS:Your argument that the market will work this out has no weight considering higher black unemployment has been the case for all of modern history.
The Myth of Racial Discrimination in Pay in the United States
The analyses of the General Social Survey data from 1974 to 2000 replicate earlier findings from the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth that racial disparity in earnings disappears once cognitive ability is controlled for. The results are robust across many alternative specifications, and further show that blacks receive significantly greater returns to their cognitive ability than nonblacks. The trend data show that there was no sign of racial discrimination in the United States as early as 1970s. The analyses call into question the necessity of and justification for preferential treatment of ethnic minorities.
The market will sort this out. There are a lot of people in positions of authority who are responsible for hiring and who believe that stereotypes are nothing more than useless trash. They will be entirely neutral in the hiring process. All of the research I've seen shows that there is a varied environment in the labor market when it comes to stereotypes and purported discrimination, meaning that most employers are not discriminators. This means that there are two fundamentally different processes at work - one or the other must be more successful than the other.
Secondly, the information scarcity which drives the usefulness of stereotypes applies mostly to applicants who can't provide disconfirming information. People with good work histories, irrespective of race, have the tools to invalidate the stereotype when they face a potential employer. Now the million dollar question is what proportion of these job applicants who have accumulated work histories confirm the stereotype compared to the proportion which disconfirm the stereotype. There's little that can be done for individuals who present work histories which confirm the stereotype for they are not being judged by stereotype, they are being judged as individuals based on their own work history.
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James Heckman. Is he mainstream enough for you? The same analytic process is discussed in his work.
Understanding The Sources Of Ethnic And Racial Wage Gaps And Their Implications For Policy
Minority deficits in cognitive and noncognitive skills emerge early and then widen. Unequal schooling, neighborhoods, and peers may account for this differential growth in skills, but the main story in the data is not about growth rates but rather about the size of early deficits. Hispanic children start with cognitive and noncognitive deficits similar to those of black children. They also grow up in similarly disadvantaged environments and are likely to attend schools of similar quality. Hispanics complete much less schooling than blacks. Nevertheless, the ability growth by years of schooling is much higher for Hispanics than for blacks. By the time they reach adulthood, Hispanics have significantly higher test scores than do blacks. Conditional on test scores, there is no evidence of an important Hispanic-white wage gap. Our analysis of the Hispanic data illuminates the traditional study of black-white differences and casts doubt on many conventional explanations of these differences since they do not apply to Hispanics, who also suffer from many of the same disadvantages. The failure of the Hispanic-white gap to widen with schooling or age casts doubt on the claim that poor schools and bad neighborhoods are the reasons for the slow growth rate of black test scores.
This makes a world of sense if we assume that employers are rewarding performance and are honest players in the labor market. The assumption underlying your world view is that employers are damn, dirty discriminators out to unjustly punish minority employees.
Keep searching, man. I'm sure there's something in your eugenics collection that will hold up better.