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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

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    I'll defer to the Christians here and let them argue the Bible and it's interpretations with you, but I will address your false equivalence between "traditional Christian values" and The Bible. Christian values arise form both principle and from the community that develops around Christianity. The Catholic Church has been instrumental in creating the religious expectation amongst its flock that marriage was the path that all must take and they built a communion of people who had that in common and helped to perpetuate that value across generations. Then, after the Protestant Reformation, the Churches which arose also took that mission onto themselves.

    As the social influence of organized religion has declined we've also seen the decline in marriage. It's not far-fetched to hypothesize that there exists a causal relationship.
    Why do you think Priests and Nuns aren't married? The Bible, or the "Christian Handbook", clearly states that 'Marriage' is intended for people who are sexually 'loose' and though not a sin, God prefers we NOT get married. Its as clear in the Bible as any other Biblical "fact" Conservatives throwback to when trying to prove a point.

    As to marriage declining as social influence of O. Religion declines ... no proof one has to do with the other. Again, people use God to ease the 'blow' when dealing with things. Perhaps your marriage is good BECAUSE of God, but for me, my marriage is good because I put in 100% and my husband puts in 100%. Not because "god is blessing" my marriage. Why would my marriage be more worthy of blessings than one where a woman is getting the living crap beat out of her? And, perhaps your marriage failed because it "wasn't in Gods plan" or because "Satan" had a stronghold ... but for me, it would be because one of us stopped giving 100% to the marriage. For some people, they can do nothing without God... but for me, I can do everything without him. I think the more productive solution for humans would be to stop using, blaming and crediting God for everything and take some personal responsibility over our lives.
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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Area 2 - an American Muslim neighborhood. The women all wear some sort of head scarf. Everyone goes to the Mosque. They do not celebrate traditional American holidays.
    Most musims Ive met celebrate traditional american holidays.

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleRain View Post
    Why do you think Priests and Nuns aren't married? The Bible, or the "Christian Handbook", clearly states that 'Marriage' is intended for people who are sexually 'loose' and though not a sin, God prefers we NOT get married. Its as clear in the Bible as any other Biblical "fact" Conservatives throwback to when trying to prove a point.

    As to marriage declining as social influence of O. Religion declines ... no proof one has to do with the other. Again, people use God to ease the 'blow' when dealing with things. Perhaps your marriage is good BECAUSE of God, but for me, my marriage is good because I put in 100% and my husband puts in 100%. Not because "god is blessing" my marriage. Why would my marriage be more worthy of blessings than one where a woman is getting the living crap beat out of her? And, perhaps your marriage failed because it "wasn't in Gods plan" or because "Satan" had a stronghold ... but for me, it would be because one of us stopped giving 100% to the marriage. For some people, they can do nothing without God... but for me, I can do everything without him. I think the more productive solution for humans would be to stop using, blaming and crediting God for everything and take some personal responsibility over our lives.

    I think you're missing the point completely.

    Here's an example. Cheating on a spouse. Not illegal in our secular "rule of law" society. Certainly negative behavior, with hugely detrimental effects for everyone concerned.

    Before this sort of "secular revaluation" that happened in the 60's, behavior of that sort happened, but there was a social stigma associated with it. It was an activity that you just not ought get involved in because that's what scumbags did.

    You see, there was a social "soft control" put on that particular negative behavior. A sense of shame. And since that "soft control" has been removed by the same secular "get away with what you can as long as it's not illegal" attitude that's now the rule in America, it turns out that behavior has become increasingly common.

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Most musims Ive met celebrate traditional american holidays.
    Are they supposed to celebrate American Holidays or something?
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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    It looks and smells and tastes like racism but its actually the taste of freedom in the face of liberal racism of trying to fight racism...
    Freedom can only be won if you are given a chance. So I would say no you are very wrong about how the real world Works.
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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleRain View Post
    Are they supposed to celebrate American Holidays or something?
    I know right... they let their kids enjoy halloween with the other kids is sortof what im trying to say.

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Freedom can only be won if you are given a chance. So I would say no you are very wrong about how the real world Works.
    it was sarcasm,

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    I think you're missing the point completely.

    Here's an example. Cheating on a spouse. Not illegal in our secular "rule of law" society. Certainly negative behavior, with hugely detrimental effects for everyone concerned.

    Before this sort of "secular revaluation" that happened in the 60's, behavior of that sort happened, but there was a social stigma associated with it. It was an activity that you just not ought get involved in because that's what scumbags did.

    You see, there was a social "soft control" put on that particular negative behavior. A sense of shame. And since that "soft control" has been removed by the same secular "get away with what you can as long as it's not illegal" attitude that's now the rule in America, it turns out that behavior has become increasingly common.
    And so people should live in fear of "social stigma"? When it comes to "soft control": if there were some "soft order" marriages might be saved? lol. So CONTROL people into behaving properly in a marriage? Where is the "personal responsibility" at? I'd rather not be cheated on because my husband didn't have the desire to cheat on me, not because "soft control" made him afraid of "social stigma" ... and I'd rather he married me in the first place because he wanted to marry me, not because it was the 'thing' to do.

    Tell me: How does a "small government" conservative even suggest "soft control", or "control" period, as an answer to anything?

    Bottom line: who cares if marriage is declining .. it doesn't mean people LOVE each other less! And "Marriage" doesn't guarantee love anyway. Love can have NOTHING to do with a marriage or it can have EVERYTHING to do with a Marriage. Remember, "marriage" is a legal contract between to people. Its LOVE that gives it "Godly" validation.
    People really shouldn't rely on others for behavior modification. They should take responsibility for their own actions instead of blaming God, Satan or a lack of "social control". People have choices ... if you cheat on your spouse its because you've chosen to all on your own, not because there's no "social control"
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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    I'm not advocating more religious faith in governance. Nope




    Hmmm...lets say you are going to move, and have a choice of 3 vicinities to move to. All three have active home owners associations who are known to make up and enforce all sorts of off the wall crap. Keep that in mind when you make your choice. Your choices are :

    Area 1 - an American Christian neighborhood. Most of them go to church on Sunday, most of them put up Christmas decorations after Thanksgiving. The kids all go trick-or-treating at Halloween.

    Area 2 - an American Muslim neighborhood. The women all wear some sort of head scarf. Everyone goes to the Mosque. They do not celebrate traditional American holidays.

    Area 3 - a secular progressive neighborhood. Most of them are politically active. One of their members successfully sued the local high school to forced them to rename their "Christmas Dance" to "Winter Celebration". They have several "Diversity Celebrations" every year that are "all inclusive"....inclusive of everything but *white* heterosexual Christians.

    All other things being equal, which neighborhood do you move to?
    The one with no Religious Dogma. The progressive one. But I dont see why you're bringing "white" into the issue. People who dont believe in God dont hate whites lol, nor do they hate heterosexuals. As far as the "christian" part, well yeah, why would secular progressives want hard core Christians moving in? Christians wouldn't want secular progressives moving into the neighborhood and bring Satan with them either so big deal. But you added those other two under the Secular Progressive option for what reason? It's not even a realistic scenario. Why would all races be included EXCEPT whites?
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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    SeattleRain - A very large segment of the human population moderates their behavior and doesn't cheat, steal, rape, rob, murder, etc. only because of fear. Fear of ridicule or prison, fines or death. Or, fear that even if no one catches them, their God will see it and punish them. Some people do what is right just because they believe it to be right. Without fear of punishment if they do wrong. They are the minority.

    The positive effects of Christian influence on public morality has been better for society than no religion or any other religion. And if you disagree, rebut the point with an example.
    If God is what numbs pain, or brings joy to people that's fine. I couldn't careless. But values, principal and morals can be strong, and taught without the assistance of 'God'. I grew up in VERY conservative Christian SW Oklahoma. Believe me when I tell you I knew PLENTY of girls from WHOLESOME christian families, who attended bible school and church their whole lives ... and guess what they were doing Saturday night with their best friend(s)? They weren't memorizing scripture for Sunday, I can promise you that.

    If "Christian influence" is so great, why do the Christian southern states have the highest divorce rates?

    Delaware, District of Columbia, Florida, Georgia, Maryland, North and South Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia, Alabama, Kentucky, Mississippi, Tennessee, Arkansas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, and Texas are considered the "Southern States" by US Census. They have the highest divorce rates with Conservative Christian OKLAHOMA taking the LEAD. I understand there are more marriages in those states, but if "Christian influence" is so powerful, why do the most CHRISTIAN states in the union have such high divorce rates.. while the secular known states are lower?
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