"And in the end, we were all just humans, drunk on the idea that love, only love, could heal our brokenness."
Well, "traditional christian values" really have nothing to do with "Marriage". For starters, once the love is gone, "Marriage" is NOTHING MORE than a legal binding contract. What makes a "Marriage" "legal" is the contract that binds husband and wife together till "death do they part" or a judge dissolves it. So, being "married" means nothing but "legality", really. What makes a "Marriage" "valid" is LOVE. You dont NEED a legal binding contract to love someone. Many people never get "married" and live long satisfying lives together.
"Traditional Christian values" are shaky as well. Take Polygamy. God accepted and blessed Polygamous marriages: Genesis 26:34 & 28:9, II Chronicles 13:21, for example.
and even same sex marriage is supported in the Bible: in 1 Samuel 18:21 Jonathan’s father referres to David as his son in law. (one example)
"Tradition" also says men are obligated to marry the women they rape: Deuteronomy 22:28-30
Jesus encouraged his followers to abandon their homes and domestic duties: Matthew 19:29; Mark 10:28-30; Luke 9:57-62
Some choose NOT to get married FOR the sake of Heaven: Matthew 19:10-13
And Paul says if we are not already Married we shouldnt seek a wife because when we get married our focus is on our spouse, not God. If we do get married though, its not a sin. BUT, the married will face many years of earthy trouble : 1 Corinthians 7:27
Clearly the Bible doesn't even know where it stands on Marriage. I think people like to believe God is missing and that's why there are so many divorces and meaningless sexual relationships. Perhaps that makes it easier to bear, but in all honesty, PEOPLE are responsible for declining marriage rates and high divorce rates. God has nothing to do with it.
Last edited by Flippinfunky; 09-06-11 at 12:22 AM.
Silly poor people
Tax cuts are for the rich!
Talk about a thread chock full of racism. Damn
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As the social influence of organized religion has declined we've also seen the decline in marriage. It's not far-fetched to hypothesize that there exists a causal relationship.
Hmmm...lets say you are going to move, and have a choice of 3 vicinities to move to. All three have active home owners associations who are known to make up and enforce all sorts of off the wall crap. Keep that in mind when you make your choice. Your choices are :
Area 1 - an American Christian neighborhood. Most of them go to church on Sunday, most of them put up Christmas decorations after Thanksgiving. The kids all go trick-or-treating at Halloween.
Area 2 - an American Muslim neighborhood. The women all wear some sort of head scarf. Everyone goes to the Mosque. They do not celebrate traditional American holidays.
Area 3 - a secular progressive neighborhood. Most of them are politically active. One of their members successfully sued the local high school to forced them to rename their "Christmas Dance" to "Winter Celebration". They have several "Diversity Celebrations" every year that are "all inclusive"....inclusive of everything but *white* heterosexual Christians.
All other things being equal, which neighborhood do you move to?
Last edited by ric27; 09-06-11 at 12:38 AM.
SeattleRain - A very large segment of the human population moderates their behavior and doesn't cheat, steal, rape, rob, murder, etc. only because of fear. Fear of ridicule or prison, fines or death. Or, fear that even if no one catches them, their God will see it and punish them. Some people do what is right just because they believe it to be right. Without fear of punishment if they do wrong. They are the minority.
The positive effects of Christian influence on public morality has been better for society than no religion or any other religion. And if you disagree, rebut the point with an example.
Just a reminder - I'm not going to debate whether Christianity is a good religion, whether there is a God or it's all delusion, etc.