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Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

Today is 2011 not 1640 or 1840 or 1940.

Its time to pick up and move on. Nobody is going to hand success to anyone.

In our society people are often handed success by default. That's just how it is.
 
The "did" and "did not" thing is a surface analysis of the situation or any situation really. The problem is that when you say it's all about "doing" you ignore the answers to many important questions: What makes people do? Is it easier for some people to do than others? Do all people get the same tools to "do" from society (i.e. education, part of a dominant social group)? What are the societal expectations of those who "do" and "do not" and do they impact one's drive?

In other words, yes, in one way, it is about "the dids and did nots". However, if you ignore that paths that bring people to "do" and "not do", you ignore 90% of the equation. The path is what you're ignoring. People don't just go from child to success or child to failure. There is a path between those two points.

Yes, there is a path.

Its called choice.

One can choose to use all the resources available to them within their reach to be as successful as they can be (note: this does not mean every person gets to be rich).
Or one can choose to give up. That is where the "did" and "did not" comes into play.

Excusing those who "did not" because of their race isn't going to help them any.
 
In our society people are often handed success by default. That's just how it is.
So? One can be bitter about that and fail in life because of it. Or one can ignore the success of others and focus on themselves.

Whining about the handed success of others isn't going to get you anywhere.
 
So? One can be bitter about that and fail in life because of it. Or one can ignore the success of others and focus on themselves.

Whining about the handed success of others isn't going to get you anywhere.
His comment wasn't a judgment or whining, his comment was a merely a correction of your assertion that "nobody is going to hand success to anyone".
 
His comment wasn't a judgment or whining, his comment was a merely a correction of your assertion that "nobody is going to hand success to anyone".

Then wtf was the point exactly?

Sure sounded like whining to me.

Wahh, those kids of wealthy people got money for nothing why can't I? Wahh.
 
If everyone started with the same resources, opportunity and standing in society and if everyone had the same exact experiences in the same exact order as everyone else, then you would be right. Unfortunately, that's not how it works, so you're assertion disregards a large part of the human experience.

I was in Houston (2006) Think about what major tragedies have recently impacted Houston... Hurricane Katrina? Houston was growing by several hundred thousands and guess what I learned back then? ****loads of people out there who A) did not want to work, B) had no interest whatsoever in bettering themselves, and C) wanted a ****ing hand out, because they ****ing deserve it.

Without the handout they were minimum wage earners. Why? Because they're lazy and stupid, and had no desire to be anything other than lazy and stupid. Now don't misunderstand me, I am not saying that minimum wage earners are all lazy and stupid, and I do understand that there are people who - by circumstances out of their control - find themselves having to take minimum wage employment. But for those who genuinely want to do better, that will only be a temporary condition, as the cream rises towards the top and the **** stays right at the bottom.
 
Yes, there is a path.

Its called choice.
Way to ignore my entire post.

Why do people make certain choices? There is a path of experiences and circumstances OUTSIDE OF THEIR CONTROL that influences their decision-making process. I didn't choose to be born into a middle class family or be put into a private elementary school or to have supportive parents or to have the countless other experiences (some of which I probably don't even know impacted me) that enabled me to make positive choices as an adult. That is the path I'm talking about. When you break a person's position in life down to mere "choice" you ignore that path and end up living in an alternate reality.
 
I was in Houston (2006) Think about what major tragedies have recently impacted Houston... Hurricane Katrina? Houston was growing by several hundred thousands and guess what I learned back then? ****loads of people out there who A) did not want to work, B) had no interest whatsoever in bettering themselves, and C) wanted a ****ing hand out, because they ****ing deserve it.

Without the handout they were minimum wage earners. Why? Because they're lazy and stupid, and had no desire to be anything other than lazy and stupid. Now don't misunderstand me, I am not saying that minimum wage earners are all lazy and stupid, and I do understand that there are people who - by circumstances out of their control - find themselves having to take minimum wage employment. But for those who genuinely want to do better, that will only be a temporary condition, as the cream rises towards the top and the **** stays right at the bottom.

Yuck...
Creamy ****.
 
I was in Houston (2006) Think about what major tragedies have recently impacted Houston... Hurricane Katrina? Houston was growing by several hundred thousands and guess what I learned back then? ****loads of people out there who A) did not want to work, B) had no interest whatsoever in bettering themselves, and C) wanted a ****ing hand out, because they ****ing deserve it.

Without the handout they were minimum wage earners. Why? Because they're lazy and stupid, and had no desire to be anything other than lazy and stupid. Now don't misunderstand me, I am not saying that minimum wage earners are all lazy and stupid, and I do understand that there are people who - by circumstances out of their control - find themselves having to take minimum wage employment. But for those who genuinely want to do better, that will only be a temporary condition, as the cream rises towards the top and the **** stays right at the bottom.
How does any of this erase the fact that experiences greatly influence choice?
 
Way to ignore my entire post.

Why do people make certain choices? There is a path of experiences and circumstances OUTSIDE OF THEIR CONTROL that influences their decision-making process. I didn't choose to be born into a middle class family or be put into a private elementary school or to have supportive parents or to have the countless other experiences (some of which I probably don't even know impacted me) that enabled me to make positive choices as an adult. That is the path I'm talking about. When you break a person's position in life down to mere "choice" you ignore that path and end up living in an alternate reality.

So... we should excuse and give handouts to folks because their parents ****ed up?

I was born into a lower class family of which my father tried to start a business, didn't understand taxes as he was only an 8th grade graduate... got into trouble with the IRS. Began trafficking drugs in order to pay that off. My mother died when I was 9, so I was raised by a drug dealer. But hey, I turned out alright.

When you become a teenager and start to branch out in the world, what your parents do or don't do for you doesn't mean jack ****.
Someone can make it on their own, and like I said before.... you don't have to get rich. Just get a decent job, support a family, and be happy.
 
I just told you the point. You said something incorrect and he corrected you. Are you illiterate?
If its not bringing anything into the debate then wtf is the point?

Does it negate what I said?

Do you think my message was for the rich?
No. Common sense would tell someone such a thing.
Thus... wtf does it matter what success a child of a rich person is handed?

You know, this conversation might actually be more effective if people weren't looking for an out... that is... looking for a pointless mundane thing to bring up to say "GOTCHA! HAHA!" instead of staying on ****nig topic.

Now, his and your retarded antics aside... lets get back to discussing the chance of success to those who have to earn it.
 
How does any of this erase the fact that experiences greatly influence choice?

Meanwhile, the Asians, who have one of the highest median income in the nation, just work hard, grow rich, keep their families intact and laugh at us all the way to the bank. You don't hear them bitching, but damned if they don't retire rich with a bunch of smart grand kids. The secret? Study hard, go to school, and don't spend like a drunken sailor, or your DAD beats your ass.

If you're a grown adult working for peanuts, there's a reason, and guess what. It's not anyone elses fault. I, nor anyone else, owes you a damn thing.
 
If its not bringing anything into the debate then wtf is the point?
When people are debating and they say something false to make their point, they get corrected because it means their point is wrong. LOL.

Does it negate what I said?
LOL, yes. That's what a correction does.
 
Meanwhile, the Asians, who have one of the highest median income in the nation, just work hard, grow rich, keep their families intact and laugh at us all the way to the bank. You don't hear them bitching, but damned if they don't retire rich with a bunch of smart grand kids. The secret? Study hard, go to school, and don't spend like a drunken sailor, or your DAD beats your ass.

If you're a grown adult working for peanuts, there's a reason, and guess what. It's not anyone elses fault. I, nor anyone else, owes you a damn thing.
So how does this negate that experiences influence choice?
 
So... we should excuse and give handouts to folks because their parents ****ed up?
Learn the difference between excuse and explanation, then get back to me.

I was born into a lower class family of which my father tried to start a business, didn't understand taxes as he was only an 8th grade graduate... got into trouble with the IRS. Began trafficking drugs in order to pay that off. My mother died when I was 9, so I was raised by a drug dealer. But hey, I turned out alright.

When you become a teenager and start to branch out in the world, what your parents do or don't do for you doesn't mean jack ****.
Someone can make it on their own, and like I said before.... you don't have to get rich. Just get a decent job, support a family, and be happy.
That's really amazing. How does this negate that experience influences choice?
 
Today is 2011 not 1640 or 1840 or 1940.

Its time to pick up and move on. Nobody is going to hand success to anyone.

All well and good, but you are ignoring the fact that blacks are still discriminated against in 2011. Is that an excuse for them not to try to get ahead? Of course not. Does that mean that we should ignore the problem. Of course not.
 
Yeah, this thread is about race... so much for giving the conservatives the benefit of the ****ing doubt.

Yeah! That's it! We're all racists.

The only thing that Libbos care about as far as black unemployment is concerned, is they hope it doesn't get too low, then there won't be any victims to defend from the big bad racists.
 
Yeah! That's it! We're all racists.

The only thing that Libbos care about as far as black unemployment is concerned, is they hope it doesn't get too low, then there won't be any victims to defend from the big bad racists.

Absolutely. You stick with your friends the conservatives, who think you're genetically inferior and best kept penned in.
 
Absolutely. You stick with your friends the conservatives, who think you're genetically inferior and best kept penned in.

Um, no, it's the Libbos that think that I can't make it without their help and special protections.

The Conservatives won't me to stand on my own two feet and make my way through the world. They don't want me on welfare. They want me working and making money. Conservatives would like me to become rich, one day, through my hard work, but they also know that nothing is guaranteed--I mean, hey, none of us saw the drilling moratorium coming; I was doing fine, before that.

I'll team up with the Conservatives, any day, over the Libbos who want me to remain poor and dependent, so I can keep voting for them.
 
Um, no, it's the Libbos that think that I can't make it without their help and special protections.

The Conservatives won't me to stand on my own two feet and make my way through the world. They don't want me on welfare. They want me working and making money. Conservatives would like me to become rich, one day, through my hard work, but they also know that nothing is guaranteed--I mean, hey, none of us saw the drilling moratorium coming; I was doing fine, before that.

I'll team up with the Conservatives, any day, over the Libbos who want me to remain poor and dependent, so I can keep voting for them.

Sure, you do that. They really just want what's best for you. :lol:
 
All well and good, but you are ignoring the fact that blacks are still discriminated against in 2011. Is that an excuse for them not to try to get ahead? Of course not. Does that mean that we should ignore the problem. Of course not.

More accurately, you believe that blacks are being discriminated against but you don't really know, you can't measure the existence of the hypothesized discrimination and the size of the effect, if there does exist discrimination then you can't measure the size of the rational versus the irrational discrimination, and you don't have a solution to the problem that you believe exists (or do you?)
 
Sure, you do that. They really just want what's best for you. :lol:

Riiiiiiiight, I would be much better off collecting welfare and voting Democrat. :lamo

Obama's anti-business policies and his drilling ban have put wads of money in my pocket. :lamo
 
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