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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That must explain why we have the highest standard of living in the world.
    Stasis is unnatural. It doesn't occur in nature and nature hates it. When you sigh with satisfaction that you've finally gotten to where you want, watch out. Inevitably, it will change. And changes are usually cyclical. Good, bad, good, bad. Even if you are growing with an upward slope, it won't be a straight line. It will look more like a sinusoidal wave.

    WWII caused a huge freaking boom. There was full employment everywhere. You might even say there was over-employment because of the infusion of women into the civilian workforce. But when the war ended, we had a recession. Soldiers back in the work force, women getting forced out of their jobs, retraction in industry since they weren't producing war materials any longer. In part to keep the economy going, there was a real push to a consumer economy. It increased employment and people felt they deserved to splurge on themselves after 15 years of depression and war. Plus the universal desire that you want your kid's life to be better than your own. That brings us to the 60's generation. Their parents had to scrimp, struggle and save. They built a work ethic. They were then able to provide an unprecedented living standard to their kids. Who didn't need to struggle. Who had things handed to them on silver platters (compared to the previous generation). If the hippies had to work for their food, etc, then the 60's revolution might not have occurred. They had the luxury to despise the work ethic and their parent's lifestyles because they were still sucking on society's tit.

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    No, I don't necessarily think that an employer hiring based on stereotypes is wrong. I mean, if you don't know enough about a person to determine whether or not you should hire them and a certain negative stereotype has a higher chance of being true than not, I would say don't hire them.
    Right. No one is setting out to punish anyone or any group. It's not white privilege or institutional racism or structural racism, which imply processes which are unjust. This practice is just like age-based auto insurance practices. An auto insurer doesn't know that a 17 year old male is going to cause accidents, they just know that as a group 17 year old males cause a lot of auto accidents. They're not setting out to purposely harm 17 year old male drivers.

    However, when these sort of decisions take place in a large scale setting you end up with a system that basically puts one group at a disadvantage to another. Many people would regard this as not being fair.
    What is the solution to high insurance premiums for 17 year old male drivers? The obvious solution is for 17 year old male drivers to drive more responsibly and have the same accident rate as 45 year old women. Once that group of young male drivers behaves as we see 45 year old female drivers behaving on the road, then the outcomes in terms of insurance premiums charged will be equalized for the two groups.

    These stereotypes arise from reality. They can also be changed by changing reality.

    Realistically, how much can you really do about it? I am not saying that employers should disregard all stereotypes, that would not make any sense. They should hire based on the best information they have, as you said.
    The solution is there - increase the value of the individual information. If the group stereotype is laziness, then arrive at the job interview with personal recommendations from previous employers which sing your praises regarding your astounding work ethic. And so on. This is now specific information that is more useful than the general information conveyed via group stereotype.

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    White unemployment: Highest in 27 years....

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That must explain why we have the highest standard of living in the world.
    That was before the government started regulating us to death.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That was before the government started regulating us to death.
    Who has died from government regulation?
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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Who has died from government regulation?
    6 Million Jews



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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    True, and even more to a degree in popular culture. Look on MTV with the rap videos, in your everyday comedy movies when they crack a joke about black people, ... Also,you just have these things ingrained into our culture. Where I live there are a lot of Mexican/Hispanic people, particularly in Greeley. There are so many negative stereotypes flowing out of that area, and they are probably only true less than 5% of the time. If a **** load of stuff gets stolen from a construction site around here the first thing out of someones mouth is "It was probably a Mexican." Right or wrong these things will negatively effect other minorities ability to get a job.
    Stereotypes don't create themselves.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I don't believe that. There's more blacks in college than in jail.
    The number of black people in college is irrelevant to the employment stats of the black community.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    My take on the issue is that it's neither Obama's or the black communities fault. The sad reality is that many African Americans work lower income jobs. due to the recession these jobs have been cut and many have lost their source of income. It's not "Obama hurting the black community" or "blacks are lazy and won't work." (which is an incredibly racist opinion).
    Alot of black people find their living in the oilfield, here in Louisiana. I would say without a doubt, that the drilling moratorium played a part in black unemployment figures.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Black unemployment: Highest in 27 years

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    the implication from your criticism being obvious - that there simply are no black surgeons, no black chief os staffs of surgical units, no black police chiefs who are wise, no black learned judges, no black brilliant defense lawyers, etc.

    Do ever tire of this garbage?

    And that is not a serious question.
    You have a masters in education? Really?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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