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    Re: US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    no
    you want to believe there are other lacey act violators
    but you have no basis to make such a statement
    'which causes you to wrongly insist that gibson has been singled out ....
    Actually, the notion that Gibson has been targeted, and that there have been no legitimate Lacey Act violations by anyone, is also compatable.

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    Re: US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Actually, the notion that Gibson has been targeted, and that there have been no legitimate Lacey Act violations by anyone, is also compatable.
    That still doesn't support Ockhams delusional claim that Gibson was targeted
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    Re: US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    That still doesn't support Ockhams delusional claim that Gibson was targeted
    It does to some of us.

    Speaking of which, don't you think that a dozen posts saying essentially the same thing over and over is .... well ... targeting the rest of us with drivel ?

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    Re: US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Actually, the notion that Gibson has been targeted, and that there have been no legitimate Lacey Act violations by anyone, is also compatable.
    no. here is what is different
    all other manufacturers - they incurred no raid because the government does not suspect them of violating the lacey act
    gibson - incurred two raids because the government does suspect them of violating the lacey act

    notice how that describes the DIFFERENCE and NOT the SIMILARITY

    pity such basic logic is lost within your posts
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    Re: US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    no
    you want to believe there are other lacey act violators
    Wrong. I am saying there are NO other guitar companies which have been raided; Gibson was singled out.

    Keep trying to change my words though...


    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    my bad. it is the sixth amendment
    the one that tells us:
    even tho there have been ZERO arrests
    Don't forget zero charges filed, zero hearings held....

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    somehow, you believe there must be a prosecution prior to arrest
    a position amazingly devoid of any form of logic
    I believe no such thing. I believe 4 years is excessive and an unreasonable amount of time to wait for charges to be filed after 2 raids.


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    Re: US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    It does to some of us.

    Speaking of which, don't you think that a dozen posts saying essentially the same thing over and over is .... well ... targeting the rest of us with drivel ?
    You seem to have the deluded opinion that there is such a thing as "proof for some people"

    The truth is, either he has proof, or he does not. In this case, it's the latter
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    Re: US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Wrong. I am saying there are NO other guitar companies which have been raided; Gibson was singled out.

    Keep trying to change my words though...
    You're the one who's changing your own words. Given their inanity, I can't say that I blame you

    You said that Gibson was targeted. We're still waiting for you to prove this delusion of yours
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    Re: US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    he has insisted gibson was singled out
    yet he is unable to point to another known lacey act violator the government refuses to raid
    I have searched, and can find no other guitar manufacturer in the US, that I assume uses the same woods that Gibson was raided for, having been raided themselves...Therefore, I, unless shown that others have had the same treatment as Gibson, would have to conclude that Gibson is being singled out.

    he insists the 16th amendment is being violated
    yet we find that no person has been arrested for an illegal act
    I don't follow you. the 16th amendment is about laying and collecting taxation, it mentions nothing about arrest.

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    Re: US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    No, we do not know that.

    What we know is that the government has raided only Gibson, confiscated their assets, but has yet to charge them after four years.

    Now, you can make assumptions off that, as you have, but clearly there are other explanations. I would suggest that our government made a token effort to pacify some other party, either such as India, or the tree-hugging voter block, or both. It did not need to raid anyone else as there is a huge diminishing political return after the first such action. Further, as it has not brought charges, it is fully aware of the difficulty in supporting this over-reach.
    The judge that issued the search warrant obviously disagrees with you, as he felt there was sufficient grounds, most likely because he was more familiar with the evidence against Gibson than you are.
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    Re: US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I have searched, and can find no other guitar manufacturer in the US, that I assume uses the same woods that Gibson was raided for, having been raided themselves...Therefore, I, unless shown that others have had the same treatment as Gibson, would have to conclude that Gibson is being singled out.
    you abandoned logic which would tell those who used it that there are no other known violators of the lacey act for that to be the actual circumstance




    I don't follow you. the 16th amendment is about laying and collecting taxation, it mentions nothing about arrest.

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    sixth amendment - my bad
    his bad that he wants a prosecution before any arrests
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