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    Re: US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony

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    Strawman... I'm not claiming proof.
    Nor posting evidence to support your dishonestly partisan claims
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    Re: US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And it's up to Ockham to prove his case, or have you forgotten *that*?
    Ockham has laid out his case in detail, and has been quite detailed as to the assertions he has made with linked back up for those assertions. What is it that you would consider as "proof" to be satisfied?

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    Re: US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Obviously it would prove that Gibson was not singled out, as you claim. I don't see a link though.... did you forget to paste it in your post?
    Ummm, the quote is yours and it comes from a post YOU linked to. Did you forget what you said?

    See, without evidence, my point will be correct... and as you've no doubt already Googled it... you'll see that Gibson has been the only guitar company in the past 4 years, singled out twice for raids.

    You have to prove your claim is correct. Simply pointing to a lack of disproof does not mean you are right.
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    Re: US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The Presidency and who held office is irrelevant to the context and subject matter, as you well know.
    Except when Gibson is raided during the Obama presidency. *Then* it's all the presidents fault!!!
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    Re: US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ockham has laid out his case in detail, and has been quite detailed as to the assertions he has made with linked back up for those assertions. What is it that you would consider as "proof" to be satisfied?

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    he has insisted gibson was singled out
    yet he is unable to point to another known lacey act violator the government refuses to raid

    he insists the 16th amendment is being violated
    yet we find that no person has been arrested for an illegal act
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    Re: US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ockham has laid out his case in detail, and has been quite detailed as to the assertions he has made with linked back up for those assertions. What is it that you would consider as "proof" to be satisfied?

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    No, Ockham has laid out his bizarre delusions and refused to show that Gibson has been singled out or that their 6th Amend rights have been violated, or that Obama has anything to do with this.

    And "proof" is what I consider "proof" to be
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    Re: US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    he has insisted gibson was singled out
    yet he is unable to point to another known lacey act violator the government refuses to raid
    Yes, I'm refusing to prove a negative. Silly me.

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    he insists the 16th amendment is being violated
    yet we find that no person has been arrested for an illegal act
    Incorrect - I am making a claim the 6th amendment may have been violated. I also find the 4 years as being excessive and unreasonable.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Yes, I'm refusing to prove a negative. Silly me.
    We'll add "prove a negative" to the List of Dishonest Arguments you've used

    You claimed that Gibson was singled out. That's not a negative. Now prove your deluded claim

    You've also claimed that Gibsons' 6th Amend rights were violated. That's not a negative either. Now prove your deluded claim



    Incorrect - I am making a claim the 6th amendment may have been violated. I also find the 4 years as being excessive and unreasonable.
    This is the 2nd time in one day that you have forgotten your own words. Given their absurdity, I can't blame you

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    The government has issued no additional warrants nor arrests, therefore since there is a presupposition of charges being brought (ie., the warrant, the raid), the 6th amendment has been violated.
    (emphasis mine)
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    Re: US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    what we know, is that there have been no other manufacturers raided because the government has reason to believe they have violated the lacey act
    No, we do not know that.

    What we know is that the government has raided only Gibson, confiscated their assets, but has yet to charge them after four years.

    Now, you can make assumptions off that, as you have, but clearly there are other explanations. I would suggest that our government made a token effort to pacify some other party, either such as India, or the tree-hugging voter block, or both. It did not need to raid anyone else as there is a huge diminishing political return after the first such action. Further, as it has not brought charges, it is fully aware of the difficulty in supporting this over-reach.

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    Re: US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Yes, I'm refusing to prove a negative. Silly me.
    no
    you want to believe there are other lacey act violators
    but you have no basis to make such a statement
    'which causes you to wrongly insist that gibson has been singled out



    Incorrect - I am making a claim the 6th amendment may have been violated. I also find the 4 years as being excessive and unreasonable.
    my bad. it is the sixth amendment
    the one that tells us:
    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.
    even tho there have been ZERO arrests
    somehow, you believe there must be a prosecution prior to arrest
    a position amazingly devoid of any form of logic
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