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    Re: US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony

    Chicago thug politics, Gibson is an example of what can happen to you if you don't play ball. Gibson may or may not have stepped on toes but they are definately an example of what this white house can do to you if they want.CEOs all over the country are paying attention!

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    Re: US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Chicago thug politics, Gibson is an example of what can happen to you if you don't play ball. Gibson may or may not have stepped on toes but they are definately an example of what this white house can do to you if they want.CEOs all over the country are paying attention!
    Wow, then I would say we are no longer the America I knew....So you think that DoJ, and Obama are doing this to send a message?

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    Re: US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony

    Is this the third or fourth thread on the exact same topic?

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    Re: US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Wow, then I would say we are no longer the America I knew....So you think that DoJ, and Obama are doing this to send a message?

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    A distinct possibilty if you look into it. Gibson has been getting same wood from same source for many years, why this why now?

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    Re: US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony

    This is not the first time that the Federal government has pursued someone for violating another nation's trade laws, far from it. It is also not the first time that they have done so without so much as a request from the nation in question. If it turned out that the Indian regulation mentioned in the OP had either expired or been superseded, it wouldn't be the first time that such a non-regulation had been enforced by Federal authorities, either.

    I do not believe this has anything to do with some kind of feud or disagreement between Gibson and the White House. I believe it has a lot more to do with the fact that prosecutors are not rated on how judiciously they use their discretion. They are rated on number of convictions, conviction rate, total years sentenced -- metrics that have nothing to do with actual justice. As such, ambitious prosecutors aren't going to miss opportunities to make a case, even if on its face it seems absurd.

    It also has a lot to do with the fact that Congress has ceded way too much power to the executive branch (in a trend that began well before Obama was even born), and with the fact that what decisions Congress actually makes for itself on matters of justice are so politically loaded that the result is great for a sound-bite and terrible for a courtroom.

    The specific brand of malarkey Gibson is being forced to endure has been going on for the past 20 or 30 years. You can't blame it on Obama.
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    Re: US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    This is not the first time that the Federal government has pursued someone for violating another nation's trade laws, far from it. It is also not the first time that they have done so without so much as a request from the nation in question. If it turned out that the Indian regulation mentioned in the OP had either expired or been superseded, it wouldn't be the first time that such a non-regulation had been enforced by Federal authorities, either.

    Not saying you are wrong, but can you provide some specific examples, so that a comparison can be made?

    I do not believe this has anything to do with some kind of feud or disagreement between Gibson and the White House. I believe it has a lot more to do with the fact that prosecutors are not rated on how judiciously they use their discretion. They are rated on number of convictions, conviction rate, total years sentenced -- metrics that have nothing to do with actual justice. As such, ambitious prosecutors aren't going to miss opportunities to make a case, even if on its face it seems absurd.
    This might hold some water if there was actual charges being levied....No charges so far have been made. Just Holder's thugs raiding a legit business at gunpoint, and taking what they want.

    It also has a lot to do with the fact that Congress has ceded way too much power to the executive branch (in a trend that began well before Obama was even born), and with the fact that what decisions Congress actually makes for itself on matters of justice are so politically loaded that the result is great for a sound-bite and terrible for a courtroom.
    No doubt about that. But it takes an executive willing to use that power. Why now? And why only one maker of guitars? Surely, makers like Fender use the same ebony.

    The specific brand of malarkey Gibson is being forced to endure has been going on for the past 20 or 30 years. You can't blame it on Obama.
    Why not? In this case Gibson guitars is the company enduring this crap, whether or not the tactic, or policy has been in place, it is the Obama administration that is using it now.

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    Re: US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Is this the third or fourth thread on the exact same topic?
    didn't see any others, if you don't want to participate then don't post...There solved.

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    Re: US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    didn't see any others, if you don't want to participate then don't post...There solved.

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    Perhaps you should have checked before you started another thread on the same topic. http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...-approved.html

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    Re: US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Perhaps you should have checked before you started another thread on the same topic. http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...-approved.html
    See this is why, I rarely go into other forums other than BN mostly because I just don't have the time to sit here all day anymore and jump around...The other forums don't get the traffic, and therefore essentially the story is buried. Maybe that is what libs want....

    But like I said, you are free to not participate if you wish....If you have nothing to offer, then I will move on.

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    Re: US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Chicago thug politics, Gibson is an example of what can happen to you if you don't play ball. Gibson may or may not have stepped on toes but they are definately an example of what this white house can do to you if they want.CEOs all over the country are paying attention!
    That essentially seems to be what happened.
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