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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    another recent article describing the gibson company's possible non compliance with the lacey act:
    Guitar Antihero 4: Gibson’s crusade is off-key with U.S. workers | Grist
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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    another recent article describing the gibson company's possible non compliance with the lacey act:
    Guitar Antihero 4: Gibson’s crusade is off-key with U.S. workers | Grist
    Thanks for the update on the issue JB. Very interesting, I had no idea the Lacey Act had so much support in industry.

    As the CEO of Taylor guitars put it:

    "It's very simple. We now investigate the sources of our wood, and we ensure to the best of our ability that the wood was taken legally. We fill out the paper work required and we present our business as an open book. The cost isn't so much for us. It's not an unbearable added burden, and we're happy to do the extra administrative work.

    Taylor continued:

    If I could take any user of wood, whether it be a guitar player or a purchaser of a dining room table, with me on a trip to the forest of 2011 in many, many parts of the world, and let them see with their own eyes the state of the forests and the people living in them, I'd stake my last dollar on the fact that they'd come home and preach with a loud voice how deforestation has got to be stopped. You have to see it to believe it, and if you haven't seen it with your own eyes, you can't argue against it. Period. I'm sorry, but that's the truth."
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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Thanks for the update on the issue JB. Very interesting, I had no idea the Lacey Act had so much support in industry.

    As the CEO of Taylor guitars put it:

    "It's very simple. We now investigate the sources of our wood, and we ensure to the best of our ability that the wood was taken legally. We fill out the paper work required and we present our business as an open book. The cost isn't so much for us. It's not an unbearable added burden, and we're happy to do the extra administrative work.

    Taylor continued:

    If I could take any user of wood, whether it be a guitar player or a purchaser of a dining room table, with me on a trip to the forest of 2011 in many, many parts of the world, and let them see with their own eyes the state of the forests and the people living in them, I'd stake my last dollar on the fact that they'd come home and preach with a loud voice how deforestation has got to be stopped. You have to see it to believe it, and if you haven't seen it with your own eyes, you can't argue against it. Period. I'm sorry, but that's the truth."
    And Taylor makes some great guitars
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    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And Taylor makes some great guitars
    built like a tank
    prefer the older ones before the current expression system and new neck joint
    projection is sometimes weak when compared to its competition (but is a non factor when amplified)
    customer service is superb and playabilty is excellent for an acoustic
    Taylor 314 might be the best value acoustic guitar available today
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    Re: US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    WHile the rest of us rely on the facts while laughing at those who whine about the presumption of innoncence before accusing Obama of being the mastermind of everything the govt does
    What facts would those be?
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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    built like a tank
    prefer the older ones before the current expression system and new neck joint
    projection is sometimes weak when compared to its competition (but is a non factor when amplified)
    customer service is superb and playabilty is excellent for an acoustic
    Taylor 314 might be the best value acoustic guitar available today
    I agree, particularly about the newer ones. Not as solid, my Taylor Jumbo has no problem projecting, though it's not the easiest to play due to it's size
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    What facts would those be?
    Don't know the facts?

    Quelle surprise!!
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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

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    We'll have to remember this the next time a Libbo asks, "whatta ya mean Obama killed jobs?".
    What does Obama have to do with this raid at all. On the subject of "killing" jobs what exactly about the conservatives plan makes you think they would have fared better. Their only argument seems to be that regulation is crippling to business.... Not any specific regulation but every regulation. I've always been kinda baffled by that. Technically speaking the Sherman and Clayton acts are government regulation. Should we do away with those? It surely would be good for business, from what i understand although trusts are bad for competition they're great for profits. Or is Obama killing jobs because he wants to raise the tax rates on the wealthiest two percent( I'm sorry the "job creators") to a level lower than that under Reagan, your golden boy. Except we tried lower tax rates for the last 11 years and they've done nothing. We also tried it under daddy bush, they called it voodoo economics back then now it's referred to as trickle-down as if I should be so lucky to get the scraps left over by the rich. It appears to me that if it's had no effect other than to widen the wealth gap perhaps we should try something new. Are you familiar with John Nash or John Maynard Keynes or shall we continue to pretend the only economic mind to ever present a convincing argument was Adam Smith( He wrote another book too, it's called the "Theory of Moral Sentiments", it's the book he considered his masterpiece, it's the one engraved on his tombstone, and it's one the conservatives probably wouldn't like very much or Ayn Rand for that matter)

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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    7 months since the last post in this thread... 3+ years since the first raid, 1+ year since the follow up raid.

    No charges filed.

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    The over playing of the heavy handedness continues - and not just with Gibson. This WH talks about justice in a lot of different contexts.... where's Gibsons' justice?
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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