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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    What are the specific charges against Gibson guitar?
    Asking a question is not an answer. Why won't you answer the simple question?

    What is unconstitutional about multiple warrants?
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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    Not referring to the warrants, but the number of searches without being charged with a crime within a reasonable time frame.
    Again, what is unconstitutional about multiple searches/warrants without being charged with a crime?
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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    have you not been following
    this is the investigative period
    the typical process is to file charges AFTER the evidence has been acquired


    granted, you defended the shrub/republican era of governance when the approach was different
    fortunately, Obama has abandoned the following neocon order of operations: ready ... fire ... aim !!!
    To be fair, I'm sure deltabtry protested when the clinton admin was subjected to multiple warrants during the Lewinsky investigation
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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    This true but with a reasonable time frame and the accused should be informed of the proposed charges which claims it has not been informed of.
    "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence."
    Your quote shows that there are protections for "the accused". Since Gibson hasn't been charged, those protections do not apply.

    And your welcome.
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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    I will will refer you to the 4th amendment:
    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.'

    I highlighted in black above, because being raided the first time (we will say it's warranted) was but as of now not being charged and yet raided again and again not being charged with in a reasonable time frame, I think there is a argument here. Who says that Gibson or anyone else can't be raided on a yearly bases and never be charged.
    Warrants were issued by the courts. Why do you persist with this nonsense?
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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Again the Constitution does not specify that Constitutional interpretation is decided by deltabtry, it specifies that Constitutional interpretation by the Courts,

    If the court felt the Affidavit for the Gibson case was unreasonable, it would not have issued the search warrant. Are you saying that the search was conducted without a search warrant???

    And please show me the Court decision that backs up your contention that investigations must conclude with charges being placed, and that if you are investigated once, you can never be investigated again at any point in the future?
    Maybe the court is in on the conspiracy against Gibson
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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    The trial hasn't become yet that is if there is ever trial, and who knows the courts may like deltabtry's argument and a new interpretation may be born.
    Your arguments are becoming delerious. Seriously.

    I only bringing up a proposed argument which I think would be valid. So the feds can continue to raid Gibson for years to come until they can decide what Gibson will be charged with, would you advocate this policy.
    The feds can raid Gibson as many times as the courts allow them to. That's the law.

    The Clinton admin was subject to numerous warrants and subpeonas during the Lewinsky investigation. Did you protest them?


    There is a point when it becomes harassment. Not arguing the validity of the warrant, I am arguing the harassment on Gibson which can be construed as unreasonable searches IMO.
    If the court issues a warrant, then it is not unreasonable unless you're now going off the deep end and claiming the court is also in on the conspiracy against Gibson
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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Ya, but if they raid your place and you are not charged with a crime, then you are released.
    No one at Gibson was arrested. The arguments of the wingnut right are becoming delerious


    There are also issues like statutes of limitation... I'm not sure what they would be for this case, but still, we're not talking about a murder charge or some other SERIOUS crime. Even on face value, at worst their "crime" is that they were victims of fraud and sold what they bought under false pretenses.
    SO you don't know what the statutes of limitation is on this, but you're sure there's something wrong the feds did?


    Not quite deserving of the SWAT style raid of the place, when a visit from 2 officers with a warrant would have been sufficient, they sell guitars not crystal meth.
    Again, you don't know the facts, but you're sure something was done wrong
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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Doesn't the federal government have better things to do like raiding Amish milk farmers?

    Our economy is falling apart and the federal government is concerned over trees located in Madagascar. I love how our tax money is spent.

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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Antiderivative View Post
    Doesn't the federal government have better things to do like raiding Amish milk farmers?

    Our economy is falling apart and the federal government is concerned over trees located in Madagascar. I love how our tax money is spent.
    Don't you have better arguments to make?

    The govt can do more than one thing at a time
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