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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    1.) To your question
    Still waiting for the answer. There was nothing in your opinionated rant or referenced article that cited anyone in this country being busted for owning an old instrument made with ebony and/or rosewood, the use of which is grandfathered.

    All those that have had any problems were people trying to cross the border with them without the proper paperwork.
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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    I've always been a little miffed that Gibson prices their stuff out of my range
    check out heritage guitars

    if you want the Gibson quality at a more reasonable price, look at a guitar built in the original Gibson factory by the original Gibson employees in Kalamazoo, MI. they are made how the Gibsons used to be. excellent quality. all of the original heritage folks were all long time luthiers and guitar makers at gibson who left gibson to start their own company to uphold the "heritage" and legacy of what gibson once was.

    Heritage Guitar Inc. of Kalamazoo - The History of Heritage Guitar, Inc. of Kalamazoo


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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Is your guitar DOJ approved?
    Only if your geetar was made by a non-union geetar manufacturer.
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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    The federal government seized wood, guitars and electronic records
    from Gibson’s Nashville warehouses in 2009 and again last week. According to [Gibson Guitar CEO Henry] Juszkiewicz, that’s when the
    Feds made an unusual request from the American manufacturer.
    On KMJ airwaves, Juszkiewicz revealed that representatives of the US government told Gibson that their legal issues would “disappear” if
    they used Madagascar labor instead of American labor. Gibson Guitar wouldn’t be the first company to learn that thanks to our grotesquely bloated rogue government, using American labor is not
    always feasible.



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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    check out heritage guitars
    if you want the Gibson quality at a more reasonable price, look at a guitar built in the original Gibson factory by the original Gibson employees in Kalamazoo, MI. they are made how the Gibsons used to be. excellent quality. all of the original heritage folks were all long time luthiers and guitar makers at gibson who left gibson to start their own company to uphold the "heritage" and legacy of what gibson once was.

    Heritage Guitar Inc. of Kalamazoo - The History of Heritage Guitar, Inc. of Kalamazoo

    i want their H555. she's a beauty.
    This guy is a bit Fancy- but makes one great guitar.
    http://www.beneteauguitars.com/
    http://www.beneteauguitars.com/gallery/gallery.html
    http://www.beneteauguitars.com/models/models_left.html

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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    check out heritage guitars

    if you want the Gibson quality at a more reasonable price, look at a guitar built in the original Gibson factory by the original Gibson employees in Kalamazoo, MI. they are made how the Gibsons used to be. excellent quality. all of the original heritage folks were all long time luthiers and guitar makers at gibson who left gibson to start their own company to uphold the "heritage" and legacy of what gibson once was.

    Heritage Guitar Inc. of Kalamazoo - The History of Heritage Guitar, Inc. of Kalamazoo


    i want their H555. she's a beauty.
    I guess it just coincidence that Heritage Guitars is a union shop.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Um... I guess I'm glad that I play a Fender...
    if they have documented the source of the rosewood board for you, otherwise you may be screwed, too
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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    This guy is a bit Fancy- but makes one great guitar.
    Welcome to Beneteau Guitars
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    This is the guy that made my guitar, Chuck Tipton. Fantastic guitars at very reasonable prices - Tipton
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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You get your news from the "naturalnews blog," They determine what is legal and what is not in your mind? I'll wait for the rule of law to run its course just the same if you don't mind.

    While we are waiting, please cite the cases where someone in this country has been busted for having an old guitar with rosewood and ebony?
    I suggest you read up on the Lacey Act on your own if you don't believe the article. I believe you will find that they reported it correctly. Although the Lacey Act is enforced somewhat selectively, it can be used to confiscate any item with exotic wood or anther banned material in it where the owner cannot document that the materials were collected and imported legally. Have you ever watched Antique Road Show and seen the experts on it mention potential problems with the antiques brought in ??

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    US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony

    Federal agents last week stormed the Gibson Guitar factories in the Tennessee cities of Nashville and Memphis, confiscating pallets of exotic woods, computer equipment and several guitars.The raids were part of an ongoing investigation into Gibson’s procurement of the materials it uses to construct its iconic instruments, which includes the Les Paul, the best-selling guitar of all time.

    Henry Juszkiewicz, Gibson chief executive, said the justice department was misguided and that his company was fully compliant with all US and international laws.
    “Gibson has complied with foreign laws and believes it is innocent of any wrongdoing,” he said. “We will fight aggressively to prove our innocence.”
    The US Department of Justice, which conducted the raids, declined to comment.

    US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony - FT.com
    Gibsons response to the raids here....

    Henry Juszkiewicz, Chairman and CEO of Gibson Guitar Corp., has responded to the August 24 raid of Gibson facilities in Nashville and Memphis by the Federal Government. In a press release, Juszkiewicz said: “Gibson is innocent and will fight to protect its rights. Gibson has complied with foreign laws and believes it is innocent of ANY wrong doing. We will fight aggressively to prove our innocence.”The raids forced Gibson to cease manufacturing operations and send workers home for the day while armed agents executed the search warrants. “Agents seized wood that was Forest Stewardship Council controlled,” Juszkiewicz said. “Gibson has a long history of supporting sustainable and responsible sources of wood and has worked diligently with entities such as the Rainforest Alliance and Greenpeace to secure FSC-certified supplies. The wood seized on August 24 satisfied FSC standards.”
    Juszkiewicz believes that the Justice Department is bullying Gibson without filing charges.
    “The Federal Department of Justice in Washington, D.C. has suggested that the use of wood from India that is not finished by Indian workers is illegal, not because of U.S. law, but because it is the Justice Department’s interpretation of a law in India. (If the same wood from the same tree was finished by Indian workers, the material would be legal.) This action was taken without the support and consent of the government in India.”

    Gibson Guitar Corp. Responds to Federal Raid
    Please pay particular attention to the video at the bottom of the page for the CEO's direct response...

    IMHO, this is outrageous....It smells of the Holder Justice Dept. bully tactics...I wonder what Gibson really did to draw the ire of Holder, and Obama....Not contribute? Say something against Obama? jackboots away!

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