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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

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    Your only partly right and only the deluded and inane know this, I am the other half.
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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The deluded often think they are holders of knowledge that others lack
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    I think this what you meant say

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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    Now you have to wonder why corporations move over seas a leave those who bitch unemployed. Meanwhile all exports to overseas require hardwood(HT/Oak) or plastic pallets, and in return we receive balsa, presswood insect infested pallets, yep all is good with the EPA and customs, so it gives them plenty of time to do a armed invasion of a Guitar company.
    Why don't you start a thread about all the bills the GOP has introduced regarding your strawman. In regards to this thread, do you have any proof to back up the conservative claims that Gibson is being unfairly investigated???
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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Why don't you start a thread about all the bills the GOP has introduced regarding your strawman. In regards to this thread, do you have any proof to back up the conservative claims that Gibson is being unfairly investigated???
    I mostly stopped following, so maybe this has changed... but the lack of any actual CHARGES against Gibson should be viewed as evidence of their innocence OR that the claims against them are frivolous. Hell, aren't they still not even charged from the PREVIOUS raid some years ago??

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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Why don't you start a thread about all the bills the GOP has introduced regarding your strawman. In regards to this thread, do you have any proof to back up the conservative claims that Gibson is being unfairly investigated???
    Just read the article...especially the update
    Why Gibson Guitar Was Raided By The Justice Department : The Record : NPR

    Our Constitution assigns its enumerated legislative powers to the Congress, and does not permit Congress to delegate its lawmaking function to the executive or the judicial branch. This structural protection had two purposes: it guaranteed that those who made the law were accountable to the people, and it ensured that the laws were made by the body best suited for deliberation.
    The source:
    The Claremont Institute - Is the EPA "The Very Definition of Tyranny"?

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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    I mostly stopped following, so maybe this has changed... but the lack of any actual CHARGES against Gibson should be viewed as evidence of their innocence OR that the claims against them are frivolous. Hell, aren't they still not even charged from the PREVIOUS raid some years ago??
    So you prefer charges be brought before criminal investigations are completed. Thanks for sharing your perspective.
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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    From your article, "The government appears to be preparing to charge the famous builder of instruments with trafficking in illegally obtained wood." Thanks for sharing that.

    Our Constitution assigns its enumerated legislative powers to the Congress, and does not permit Congress to delegate its lawmaking function to the executive or the judicial branch. This structural protection had two purposes: it guaranteed that those who made the law were accountable to the people, and it ensured that the laws were made by the body best suited for deliberation.
    The source:
    The Claremont Institute - Is the EPA "The Very Definition of Tyranny"?
    Thanks for the "opinion" by the conservative Claremont Institute. Now do you have proof that Gibson is innocent of the alleged criminal activity?
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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So you prefer charges be brought before criminal investigations are completed. Thanks for sharing your perspective.
    Except when its' a democrat being investigated. Notice that the wingnuts aren't complaining about any investigations concerning democrats, even if there have been no indictments issued

    Rightwingers have no principles. Just slogans that they repeat when convenient, and discard when inconvenient. All they care about is "winning". They're addicted to winning

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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So you prefer charges be brought before criminal investigations are completed. Thanks for sharing your perspective.
    Umm, no.

    Here's the process :
    - Police gather evidence enough to show probable cause of a crime taking place, this gets them a warrant.
    - Police use that warrant to get all the evidence of a crime as possible,
    - Police press charges based on that evidence against those that are shown to have a level of guilt... this is typically done while the person awaiting charges is in holding, or as soon as possible afterwards... NOT SEVERAL YEARS LATER AFTER a SECOND warrant, second raid and a second round of arrests.

    The fact that they KNEW WHAT THE CHARGES WERE GOING TO BE, yet were never filed, in spite of a VERY LONG TIME following the search of the premises and the confiscation of property which was said to be in violation... Seriously, woods are NOT THAT complex of a material to draw conclusions from.

    If these conclusions cannot be drawn, then either the law is asinine, rendering illegal what cannot be proven. Or possibly, he's not in violation of any of these laws and is just being persecuted for the crime of providing jobs and a quality product to americans built by americans.

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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So you prefer charges be brought before criminal investigations are completed. Thanks for sharing your perspective.
    Well if Gibson was raided in 2009 and have yet to be charged and again in 2011 and have yet to be charged, this would appear to me to be a violation of the fourth and sixth amendment.

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