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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

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    Why does the one leveling a charge deserve anything other than the demand to prove it?

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    And yet you level charges without any proof or evidence. That's dishonest and two-faced
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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And yet you level charges without any proof or evidence. That's dishonest and two-faced
    I offer speculation, just as you do about the CEO of Gibson, wasn't it you that called him a criminal earlier?

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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I offer speculation, just as you do about the CEO of Gibson, wasn't it you that called him a criminal earlier?

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    No, you offered conclusions which you are now dishonestly denying. Here's what you said
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    That seems to be the charge, however, it hasn't played out in court and already we have some on this board calling the CEO a criminal, and finding the company guilty before anything is proven. Yet on the same hand those same individuals want the presumption of pure innocence granted the administration in carrying out this jack booted assault on an American Iconic company. Seems rather one sided don't you think?

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    If it were "speculation" as you now dishonestly claim, you would have phrased it as "possibly jackbooted assault" or used some other term to suggest it were not certain.


    And you're also dishonestly implying that I called anyone a criminal.
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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That seems to be the charge, however, it hasn't played out in court and already we have some on this board calling the CEO a criminal, and finding the company guilty before anything is proven. Yet on the same hand those same individuals want the presumption of pure innocence granted the administration in carrying out this jack booted assault on an American Iconic company. Seems rather one sided don't you think?

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    Alleged criminal. It will be up to the courts to decide if he is a criminal. And you have yet to provide any proof to back up your claim that Gibson is being unfairly investigated.
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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, you offered conclusions which you are now dishonestly denying. Here's what you said


    If it were "speculation" as you now dishonestly claim, you would have phrased it as "possibly jackbooted assault" or used some other term to suggest it were not certain.


    And you're also dishonestly implying that I called anyone a criminal.
    Sorry, it was one of the others that sound, and post identical to you then. But tell me, did authorities enter Gibson, armed? And why was that? did they expect a fire fight?

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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Alleged criminal. It will be up to the courts to decide if he is a criminal. And you have yet to provide any proof to back up your claim that Gibson is being unfairly investigated.
    Oh, it was you...You didn't say 'alleged' the first time around, why?

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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Well the problem is this (Feds go after Gibson Guitars RT)



    Thus, the US went and raided Gibson due to them breaking Indian laws, not American ones. Thus this brings up the questions Will the US start enforcing the laws of other nations in America?
    and 2) Just how much power does the Federal government have?
    Couldn't it also fall under US customs law and inspections?

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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by dixiesolutions View Post
    Obama's days as president are surely numbered.....Would he be so bold, and go aft
    er the foriegn markets that do trade with American companies?....NO.
    Yeah, all because of this raid. Obama is going to lose 2012.

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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Yeah, all because of this raid. Obama is going to lose 2012.
    Not the raid alone, but more the pattern.

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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Sorry, it was one of the others that sound, and post identical to you then. But tell me, did authorities enter Gibson, armed? And why was that? did they expect a fire fight?

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    Wouldn't that be standard operating procedure? Can you list the occasions that authorities enter areas unarmed where suspected criminal activities are taking place?
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