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    Re: US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Gibson had all the necessary documentation to prove they were in legal possession of the material. The government confiscated the material, anyway and have yet to return it.
    LOL! You conducted the investigated the case personally did you?
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    Re: US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony

    "The U.S. Justice Department won't comment about the case it's preparing, but a court motion filed in June asserts Gibson's Madagascar ebony was contraband. It quotes emails that seem to show Gibson taking steps to maintain a supply chain that's been connected to illegal timber harvests.

    Andrea Johnson, director of forest programs for the Environmental Investigation Agency in Washington, says the Lacey Act requires end users of endangered wood to certify the legality of their supply chain all the way to the trees. EIA's independent investigations have concluded that Gibson knowingly imported tainted wood.

    "Gibson clearly understood the risks involved," says Johnson. "Was on the ground in Madagascar getting a tour to understand whether they could possibly source illegally from that country. And made a decision in the end that they were going to source despite knowing that there was a ban on exports of ebony and rosewood."

    Why Gibson Guitar Was Raided By The Justice Department : The Record : NPR
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    Re: US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    LOL! You conducted the investigated the case personally did you?
    According to the honch as Gibson, he claims to have imported the materials legally and has the docs to prove it.

    Can you prove that he's lieing?
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    Re: US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    According to the honch as Gibson, he claims to have imported the materials legally and has the docs to prove it.

    Can you prove that he's lieing?
    Look, they raided his shop WITH GUNS. You don't raid someone like that if they are innocent.

    So, he should ALSO be charged with lying to police, and presenting forged documents because there's no way that Gibson could be innocent if they were raided like that.

    It doesn't matter that the wood was documented, it doesn't matter that his competition gets wood from the SAME SOURCE but is being passed by (it doesn't matter that Gibson's main competitor happens to be a big Obama supporter), the fact is that this US company violated INDIAN law and so should be shut down in America and the factory moved to a country with more favorable laws like China or Cambodia.

    I think the government should invoke the patriot act and put Gibson and company away in Guantanamo Bay and perhaps given the chance to plead his case to a military tribunal in about 200 years, that should be sufficient.

    (BTW, if it was not abundantly clear, this was sarcasm).

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    Re: US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Look, they raided his shop WITH GUNS. You don't raid someone like that if they are innocent.

    So, he should ALSO be charged with lying to police, and presenting forged documents because there's no way that Gibson could be innocent if they were raided like that.

    It doesn't matter that the wood was documented, it doesn't matter that his competition gets wood from the SAME SOURCE but is being passed by (it doesn't matter that Gibson's main competitor happens to be a big Obama supporter), the fact is that this US company violated INDIAN law and so should be shut down in America and the factory moved to a country with more favorable laws like China or Cambodia.

    I think the government should invoke the patriot act and put Gibson and company away in Guantanamo Bay and perhaps given the chance to plead his case to a military tribunal in about 200 years, that should be sufficient.

    (BTW, if it was not abundantly clear, this was sarcasm).
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    Re: US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    According to the honch as Gibson, he claims to have imported the materials legally and has the docs to prove it.

    Can you prove that he's lieing?
    The great majority of criminals claim they are innocent. The investigation will determine if he is telling the truth, or not. We know the Court felt the evidence was sufficient for the raid. Who are we to second guess the Court's decision, and on what basis?
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    Re: US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The great majority of criminals claim they are innocent. The investigation will determine if he is telling the truth, or not. We know the Court felt the evidence was sufficient for the raid. Who are we to second guess the Court's decision, and on what basis?
    Why, since the 2009 raid--1 year and 9 months prior to this raid--hasn't the government brought any charges? Why a second raid?
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    Re: US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony

    So what has become of Gibson then?
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    Re: US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Look, they raided his shop WITH GUNS. You don't raid someone like that if they are innocent.

    So, he should ALSO be charged with lying to police, and presenting forged documents because there's no way that Gibson could be innocent if they were raided like that.

    It doesn't matter that the wood was documented, it doesn't matter that his competition gets wood from the SAME SOURCE but is being passed by (it doesn't matter that Gibson's main competitor happens to be a big Obama supporter), the fact is that this US company violated INDIAN law and so should be shut down in America and the factory moved to a country with more favorable laws like China or Cambodia.

    I think the government should invoke the patriot act and put Gibson and company away in Guantanamo Bay and perhaps given the chance to plead his case to a military tribunal in about 200 years, that should be sufficient.

    (BTW, if it was not abundantly clear, this was sarcasm).
    I didn't.......jerk

    (that was sarcasm too.....or was it?)
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    Re: US agents raid Gibson Guitar over ebony

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Why, since the 2009 raid--1 year and 9 months prior to this raid--hasn't the government brought any charges? Why a second raid?
    I am not familiar with all the detail of the case against Gibson. Perhaps they gave them a break, perhaps they didn't have enough evidence to place charges. Are you betting they don't place charges this time?
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