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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We'll have to remember this the next time a Libbo asks, "whatta ya mean Obama killed jobs?".
    Never mind the fact that the Feds have been doing this exact thing -- bullying, forcing their targets to incur unreasonable expenses, and threatening further expense or consequence -- to employers for decades, as a proven mechanism for making hay.

    Never mind the fact that Obama most likely didn't know about this raid before it went down, seeing as how the DoJ doesn't go running to the President for approval of, well, anything.

    Never mind the fact that if Obama stopped the DoJ now, he'd be accused of politicizing the matter and denying the DoJ the appearance of independence it needs in order to do its job effectively.

    Never mind the fact that if Obama stopped the DoJ now, people like you would be asking how Gibson bought off the White House -- did they promise to unionize? Dun-dun-dun!

    Never mind anything that would directly contradict your half-assed point, even if (hell, especially if) it's the truth.

    Right?
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Never mind the fact that the Feds have been doing this exact thing -- bullying, forcing their targets to incur unreasonable expenses, and threatening further expense or consequence -- to employers for decades, as a proven mechanism for making hay.

    Never mind the fact that Obama most likely didn't know about this raid before it went down, seeing as how the DoJ doesn't go running to the President for approval of, well, anything.

    Never mind the fact that if Obama stopped the DoJ now, he'd be accused of politicizing the matter and denying the DoJ the appearance of independence it needs in order to do its job effectively.

    Never mind the fact that if Obama stopped the DoJ now, people like you would be asking how Gibson bought off the White House -- did they promise to unionize? Dun-dun-dun!

    Never mind anything that would directly contradict your half-assed point, even if (hell, especially if) it's the truth.

    Right?
    This shouldn't even be at the level of the executive branch and probably isn't. That said, the EPA is out of control and has been for years long before Obama and this problem has to be resolved through congress and the states. TN should deny the EPA any over reaching and unconstitutional powers, until it is resolved through the courts.

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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    This shouldn't even be at the level of the executive branch and probably isn't. That said, the EPA is out of control and has been for years long before Obama and this problem has to be resolved through congress and the states. TN should deny the EPA any over reaching and unconstitutional powers, until it is resolved through the courts.
    Huh? It's the executive branch that enforces the law. The police are a part of the executive brance (usually at the local or state level) It's always been that way.
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We'll have to remember this the next time a Libbo asks, "whatta ya mean Obama killed jobs?".
    I am still out on this, although to some extent perhaps the EPA has grown more balls because it has a friendlier ally in the White House with that said, this agency was started by a republican Nixon. Non the less this affects us all and yes it is a jog killing agency and should be defunded and striped of it's powers.

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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Innocent until proven guilt has nothing to do with this. When someone is accused of a crime, there must be probable cause. Once probable cause has been established, the state has the power to confiscate evidence and even incarcerate the accused. You don't really think that we should let accused killers roam free until their trial do you? Should Loghner (the man who shot Rep Giffords and others) be released until he's sane enough to stand trial? Should the police not be allowed to confiscate a gun in murder cases, or should we let the accused murderer roam free and give him back his gun?

    If there is no probable cause, Gibson can go to court immediately, petition to have the case dismissed on the grounds that there is no probable, and if successful, all their possessions will be returned to them. That's how it works. In fact, that's how it has always worked.
    Once probable cause has been established then charges need to be levied if no charges have be levied the accused walk. Murders is something else and for another subject, remember Robert Blake.

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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Huh? It's the executive branch that enforces the law. The police are a part of the executive brance (usually at the local or state level) It's always been that way.
    Yes but not at the federal level.

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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    Once probable cause has been established then charges need to be levied if no charges have be levied the accused walk. Murders is something else and for another subject, remember Robert Blake.
    In criminal cases, yes. I think this is probable a civil case.

    And I don't you're doing yourself any facors by just dismissing murder cases after posting that "innocent until proven guilty" spiel. Either you apply that consistently, or you don't. BTW, the same thing applies to robbery, etc. Should we just let the their go and give them back the gun they used to commit the robbery? We put people who haven't been convicted of anything in jail all the time, and rightfully so. Gibson isn't immune from this simply because they make rockin' guitars
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    Yes but not at the federal level.
    The FBI? The IRS? The BATF? Customs? Border Patrol? The INS?
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I support an overhaul of their function -but the basics come from necessity.
    Exactly! I'm not ssaying there is no need for reform or that everything the govt does is right. However, the arguement that federal agencies have no authority to enforce the law holds no water. The argument that the Fed govt has over-reached in certain specific instances, is another matter
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
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    Re: Is your guitar DOJ approved?

    I have around 20 bass guitars. One is a Gibson... a mint 1968 Thunderbird IV

    hope the Feds don't read this

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