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Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

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Conservative said:
Your response isn't going to make Sheik very happy or anyone else with BDS. Don't disagree with you but wonder how all those liberals who bought the Obama "Hope and Change" message feel today about the results. They are the ones that continue to blame Bush when the reality is there is plenty of blame to go around for both parties. Obama promised to change the tone in D.C. and with a Democrat Congress changed immediately and his economic plan got zero Republican support because of the leftwing agenda he proposed and implemented
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President Obama made one major error he failed to push his agenda through when he had control of both houses, his concillatory approach ended up causing a lot of democrats to lose thier political races in 2010.

He did not lose the co-operation of the republicans you can't lose what you never had, the republicans using the tea baggers have refused to negotiate, they demand like they did with the debt ceiling.

It's time way pass time to send the republicans a clear message, we have one more chance in 2012, Every republican has to be voted out if the middle class and poor are going to have any chance at a descent standard of living
 
Conservative said:
Only the brainwashed, braindead, and clueless. No one in their right mind can blame Bush for what is going on 2 1/2 years after Obama took office.
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What an assinine statement. Bush increased the national debt by almost $6 trillion dollars. That debt didn't go away when he pulled his U-haul up to the West Wing. He started two wars that we're still fighting. He oversaw the biggest recession in three generations.

The funny thing is that conservatives whine about Obama destroying the future for their grandchildren. What's that? Twenty, thirty years down the road? But Bush's gross negligence apparently had a half life of what? A week? A month, tops?
 
AdamT said:
What an assinine statement. Bush increased the national debt by almost $6 trillion dollars. That debt didn't go away when he pulled his U-haul up to the West Wing. He started two wars that we're still fighting. He oversaw the biggest recession in three generations.

The funny thing is that conservatives whine about Obama destroying the future for their grandchildren. What's that? Twenty, thirty years down the road? But Bush's gross negligence apparently had a half life of what? A week? A month, tops?
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This is getting really sad, you obviously have never taken a civics lesson and make statements either to provoke or because you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Debt is cumulative and deficits are yearly. How did Bush create the deficits of 2010 and 2011? Yes, he oversaw a recession but it wasn't the worst in history, 81-82 due to 17.5% interest rates was worse.

The funny thing really is that you ignore Democrats controlled Congress and Obama was in that Congress. Democrats voted for the budget and thus the deficit and Obama voted for it along with TARP. His record today has nothing to do with Bush and is all his own doing. That is a fact, that is reality.
 
Conservative said:
This is getting really sad, you obviously have never taken a civics lesson and make statements either to provoke or because you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Debt is cumulative and deficits are yearly. How did Bush create the deficits of 2010 and 2011? Yes, he oversaw a recession but it wasn't the worst in history, 81-82 due to 17.5% interest rates was worse.

The funny thing really is that you ignore Democrats controlled Congress and Obama was in that Congress. Democrats voted for the budget and thus the deficit and Obama voted for it along with TARP. His record today has nothing to do with Bush and is all his own doing. That is a fact, that is reality.
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I just want to point out that's it's not fair to blame the Dem Congress for key failures during the W. Bush administration, and not the GOP Congress for key failures of the Obama administration.
 
David D.;1059791571]I just want to point out that's it's not fair to blame the Dem Congress for key failures during the W. Bush administration, and not the GOP Congress for key failures of the Obama administration.
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I have no problem with that when you point to the GOP Control of Congress during the Obama term?
 
Michael H said:
I might mention if you don't pay for wars you get inflation or hard asset run ups. As a liberal (not neocon) I expect wars to be paid for ... or get your ass out of the war.
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I supported the actions taken, and still think we had to do what we had to do, however to branch off in that direction would be a deflection of the argument in this thread.

If you seriously think that two wars, that over the course of ten years cost the same roughly as ONE year of Obama failed stimulus spending, then you are really not thinking this one through.

Repubs spent during the Bush years like they were progressive liberals, and got their ass handed to them in 06, and 08 for it. Now Obama put that spending on steroids, ramped it up some 300% on the promise that it would keep unemployment under 8%, and GDP growth at some 4%. Neither happened, yet you hear libs talking about "creating some 3.5 million jobs" with the stimulus, WHERE? I don't see it. Things are not getting better, they are at the most optimistic, stagnant.

Get prepared libs...You are about to get booted.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
I supported the actions taken, and still think we had to do what we had to do, however to branch off in that direction would be a deflection of the argument in this thread.

If you seriously think that two wars, that over the course of ten years cost the same roughly as ONE year of Obama failed stimulus spending, then you are really not thinking this one through.

Repubs spent during the Bush years like they were progressive liberals, and got their ass handed to them in 06, and 08 for it. Now Obama put that spending on steroids, ramped it up some 300% on the promise that it would keep unemployment under 8%, and GDP growth at some 4%. Neither happened, yet you hear libs talking about "creating some 3.5 million jobs" with the stimulus, WHERE? I don't see it. Things are not getting better, they are at the most optimistic, stagnant.

Get prepared libs...You are about to get booted.

j-mac
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You and the late Bin Laden both supported the actions Bush and Company took after 9/11 the results of which we are now dealing with economically.

Now the conservatives and thier buddies have declared economic class warfare on the middle class and poor of America, 2012 is coming and when the dust settles the party of no will no longer exist. Vote them all out and anyone of any political affiliation that supports them
 
EarlzP said:
You and the late Bin Laden both supported the actions Bush and Company took after 9/11 the results of which we are now dealing with economically.

Now the conservatives and thier buddies have declared economic class warfare on the middle class and poor of America, 2012 is coming and when the dust settles the party of no will no longer exist. Vote them all out and anyone of any political affiliation that supports them
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Problem with that idea is that conservatives blew away liberals in 2010 and had the largest seat gain in the house since the great depression. So it seems that most of America would prefer the lesser of two evils, the repubs, in charge.

I love how people quote clinton's job gains when it was just a fallacy, a dot-com bubble that bust at the end of his presidency. I lost more money under Clinton in my investments than I ever did under Bush. Why? Because I invested at the height of the dot-com bubble and bought into it being long term when in reality it crashed harder than a 747 without wings.
 
EarlzP said:
You and the late Bin Laden both supported the actions Bush and Company took after 9/11 the results of which we are now dealing with economically.

Now the conservatives and thier buddies have declared economic class warfare on the middle class and poor of America, 2012 is coming and when the dust settles the party of no will no longer exist. Vote them all out and anyone of any political affiliation that supports them
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Sorry, but that class warfare begain under Democrats and continue under Democrats. You don't see Republicans attacking anyone else for what they make or pay in taxes. You don't see Republicans attacking the 47% of American income earners most of whom are 50,000 or less not paying any Federal Income Taxes. It is class warfare when someone fights hard to get those paying the most in taxes to pay more and to ignore those that aren't paying anything. Is that their fair share?

What political hacks on the left today! Keep those poor and middle class dependent on govt. so they can keep their jobs. Amazing support for the politicians that actually created this 14.6 trillion dollar debt and the failed liberal agenda!
 
Conservative said:
Sorry, but that class warfare begain under Democrats and continue under Democrats. You don't see Republicans attacking anyone else for what they make or pay in taxes. You don't see Republicans attacking the 47% of American income earners most of whom are 50,000 or less not paying any Federal Income Taxes. It is class warfare when someone fights hard to get those paying the most in taxes to pay more and to ignore those that aren't paying anything. Is that their fair share?

What political hacks on the left today! Keep those poor and middle class dependent on govt. so they can keep their jobs. Amazing support for the politicians that actually created this 14.6 trillion dollar debt and the failed liberal agenda!
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I won't waste time arguing about who started it what's important is who finishes it, lavish in 2010 2012 is right around the corner attacks on SS medicare medicad and many other programs that middle class and poor americans depend on will determine results of the next election, not your insistant whining about how you are so mistreated when 20% of the nations popualtion already controls 93% of this countries wealth
 
EarlzP said:
I won't waste time arguing about who started it what's important is who finishes it, lavish in 2010 2012 is right around the corner attacks on SS medicare medicad and many other programs that middle class and poor americans depend on will determine results of the next election, not your insistant whining about how you are so mistreated when 20% of the nations popualtion already controls 93% of this countries wealth
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So when the govt. takes money directed towards SS, Medicare, and Medicaid and puts it on budget to spend on other programs that isn't an attack on the Middle and lower classes? Where do you get your information and please tell me this is an act?

As was pointed out to you we had the 2010 elections which put record numbers of Republicans into state offices and legislatures. That tells a lot about the direction of the country. I am still waiting for you to explain how any rich person made someone else poorer? How did the rich hurt you or your family and why didn't you become one of those evil rich people?
 
EarlzP said:
You and the late Bin Laden both supported the actions Bush and Company took after 9/11 the results of which we are now dealing with economically.
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:shock: What the.....? Well I thought that by putting "Other" in the lean under your avatar would never be done by liberals trying to hide their true leanings...But then I am confused by this opening screed that you would take a stance of doing nothing after the 9/11 massacre, rather than a strong leader that didn't blame America first saying that enough is enough in that hell hole of a region of the world.

Now the conservatives and thier buddies have declared economic class warfare on the middle class and poor of America, 2012 is coming and when the dust settles the party of no will no longer exist. Vote them all out and anyone of any political affiliation that supports them
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Whew! que up the Twilight Zone theme song....This particular statement is dimetrically, 180 degrees from the truth.

j-mac
 
EarlzP said:
I won't waste time arguing about who started it what's important is who finishes it, lavish in 2010 2012 is right around the corner attacks on SS medicare medicad and many other programs that middle class and poor americans depend on will determine results of the next election, not your insistant whining about how you are so mistreated when 20% of the nations popualtion already controls 93% of this countries wealth
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Pay attention, Earl

We The People - YouTube
 
EarlzP said:
You and the late Bin Laden both supported the actions Bush and Company took after 9/11 the results of which we are now dealing with economically.

Now the conservatives and thier buddies have declared economic class warfare on the middle class and poor of America, 2012 is coming and when the dust settles the party of no will no longer exist. Vote them all out and anyone of any political affiliation that supports them
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Well, technically, the Dems did vote to go to war too.

However on the same token, not sure why the GOP maintained the tax cut at this time, as it makes no sense to me why you'd want to reduce your potential revenue flow during wartime.
 
pbrauer said:
All this proves is that Santelli is an idiot. :coffeepap:
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Hey now, you leave my man Rick alone; he is a brilliant bond analyst and is the prototypical modern day conservative.
 
David D. said:
Well, technically, the Dems did vote to go to war too.

However on the same token, not sure why the GOP maintained the tax cut at this time, as it makes no sense to me why you'd want to reduce your potential revenue flow during wartime.
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Democrats controlled the Senate and the vote was 77-23 to give Bush the authority to go to war and it was the Democrats that controlled the Lame Duck Congress that authorized extensionof the Bush tax cuts. Democrats controlled the Senate in 2001-2002 and Democrats controlled the entire Congress from 2007 through 2010.
 
Conservative said:
Pay attention, Earl

We The People - YouTube
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What a pile of monkey turds, today's Republican party is not for "The People," they are for the giant mega corporations and the crooks on Wall Street and Banks that put our future in jeopardy by bringing us the worse recession since the Great Depression. Between Feb 2008 and the end of June 2009, the supposed end of the recession, 7.674 million private sector jobs were lost due to the Bush Recession.

Private sector jobs gains/losses

YearJanFebMarAprMayJunJulAugSepOctNovDec
2008 Gains/
Loss		4-128-87-186-240-217-265-317-434-491-787-636
2009 Gains/
Loss		-841-721-787-773-326-438-287-215-213-250-34-102
2010 Gains/
Loss		-42-21144229486593110109143128167
2011 Gains/
Loss		94261219241997515617
 
David D. said:
Well, technically, the Dems did vote to go to war too.

However on the same token, not sure why the GOP maintained the tax cut at this time, as it makes no sense to me why you'd want to reduce your potential revenue flow during wartime.
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except that during that period revenues increased....See I think that originally the Bush administration thought that Afghanistan, and Iraq would be a cake walk, and initially removing Sadam was, it was the follow through that wasn't so clearly thought out. But that is really hindsight, armchair crap.

Anyway, with reports of the treasury, and headlines through that period constantly saying that revenues more than expected, why would you think that raising taxes would increase anything?

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Repubs spent during the Bush years like they were progressive liberals...
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When exactly in recent history did these progressive liberals spend so much to be compared to the spending of Republicans? Conservatives presidents spend FAR more than Liberal presidents.

It's more like Republicans spend like Republicans. Liberals at least try to balance the budget, Republicans just spend as if there is no such thing as a budget and their funds are unlimited.
 
j-mac said:
except that during that period revenues increased....See I think that originally the Bush administration thought that Afghanistan, and Iraq would be a cake walk, and initially removing Sadam was, it was the follow through that wasn't so clearly thought out. But that is really hindsight, armchair crap.

Anyway, with reports of the treasury, and headlines through that period constantly saying that revenues more than expected, why would you think that raising taxes would increase anything?

j-mac
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Raising taxes to pay for wars overseas would have been optimal IMO. The voting public would have been far more vocal about it if we were forced to pay for this war as we go.
 
Goldenboy219 said:
Raising taxes to pay for wars overseas would have been optimal IMO. The voting public would have been far more vocal about it if we were forced to pay for this war as we go.
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And that is the real reason you wanted a tax increase isn't it...You wanted more vocal disapproval of the war.

j-mac
 
Tettsuo said:
When exactly in recent history did these progressive liberals spend so much to be compared to the spending of Republicans? Conservatives presidents spend FAR more than Liberal presidents.

It's more like Republicans spend like Republicans. Liberals at least try to balance the budget, Republicans just spend as if there is no such thing as a budget and their funds are unlimited.
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Stop, you'll get dizzy spinning like that.

j-mac
 
Conservative said:
Democrats controlled the Senate and the vote was 77-23 to give Bush the authority to go to war and it was the Democrats that controlled the Lame Duck Congress that authorized extensionof the Bush tax cuts. Democrats controlled the Senate in 2001-2002 and Democrats controlled the entire Congress from 2007 through 2010.
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Democrats in the House voted against giving Bush authority, i.e., if it had been solely up to Democrats, Bush would not have had the authority to use force in Iraq.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
I understand exactly where those numbers come from since you insist on being a hypocrite.

Since you're running away from answering my challenge of admitting 23 million jobs were created under Clinton, I will have to pull up what you did say when you did answer that ...

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heik Yerbuti: "Worked well for Clinton, 23 million jobs were gained during his 8 years."

Conservative: "Better clear up the number with BLS because they disagree. Employment January of each year. Don't see the 23 million" [in household survey data]

Sheik Yerbuti: "According to the BLS payroll data, there were 23 million additional people on payrolls during his 2 terms. Call them and complain."

Conservative: "So 132.5 million employed in January 2001? Don't you think you might be looking at the wrong chart? No, that couldn't be it."
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So why are you looking at the wrong chart now? How comne you now prefer payroll data ("the wrong chart") which shows zero net jobs gained over household survey data ("the right chart") which shows a net gain of 331,000 jobs?

Can you be any more dishonest, Con?
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I notice that conservative hasn't addressed this discrepancy as of yet Shiek. It must be hell...so sad.:(
 
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j-mac said:
Stop, you'll get dizzy spinning like that.

j-mac
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What do you believe I'm spinning? The fact that Republican presidents spend like our money is endless or that Democratic presidents have at least attempted to balance the budget?
 
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