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Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

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Conservative said:
Employers add no net jobs in Aug
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Thanks for finally admitting that we had a net gain of 23 million jobs while Clinton was president. Compared to 1 million while Bush was president.
 
Conservative said:
Already told you I stand by my statement and there are a lot of people who agree with me. Technically it is a ponzi scheme because it requires younger workers to keep it viable and that is how a ponzi scheme workers although maybe not younger workers but rather new suckers. Now if you want to continue this start a new thread or just keep running from the disaster "your" President is.
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I am with you lets get back on topic all of this talk about a Texas Republican sponsoring a bill that would make it legal to hire illegal immigrants and Texas giving financial aid to illegals attending college is just diverting from the thread topic

If I ran a company "sh-t I do" would I want to hire employees now? Okay I mean I lean towards being a liberal so lets create a senario that changes my political leaning to a conservative republican and maybe like you I want Texas Givernor Perry to be the next President because under Guv Perry the corporate tax rate goes down, regulations get repealed, SS is privatised, Dodd Frank is repealed and the real biggy I can hire a illegal house keeper and if I don't know that illegals are illegals and how could I because every time I ask them they respond by saying no comprenday ingles senor. So the question is would I want to hire legal workers and help bring down the unemployment rate or would I wait and hope that a bad economy would get Guv Perry elected, I think it is a no brainer I will just hire illegals until Guv Perry and his hat and horse are residing in the White House

Now honestly what would you do if you still ran a 200,000,000 dollar company with 1200 employees?
 
Boo Radley said:
A lot of people onced believe the world was flat. Didn't make it so. It matters not what you're willing to accept. What matters are the facts, and factually it is not a ponzi scheme.

And do remember, the ponzi scheme conversation is one you started.
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Really? You believe I started the SS off topic discussion?

Originally Posted by pbrauer

With Bain Capital, Mitt Romney was a job killer AND Perry stupidly told the nation that SS is a Ponzi scheme. Do you remember when in 2005 Bush decided to spend his political capital on privatizing SS? It didn't go so well for him.
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
Number of underemployed at the start of Bush's term: 10,497,400
Number of underemployed at the end of Bush's term: 21,585,900
11,088,500 more people underemployed during Bush's term.

Number of underemployed at the start of Obama's term: 21,585,900
Number of underemployed so far into Obama's term: 24,882,228
3,296,328 more people underemployed during Obama's term.

Average growth of underemployment during Bush's 96 months in office: 115,505

Average growth of underemployment during Obama's 31 months in office: 106,333

G'head ... this is where you kvetch that I'm off-topic and suffer from BDS for responding to your challenge.

:coffeepap
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August 2011, 2 1/2 years after Obama took office

Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

Obama has 25 plus million unemployed and under employed Americans, more unemployment than when he took office, a smaller labor force, and more discouraged workers dropping out of the labor force. you want to give him four more years?
 
EarlzP said:
I am with you lets get back on topic all of this talk about a Texas Republican sponsoring a bill that would make it legal to hire illegal immigrants and Texas giving financial aid to illegals attending college is just diverting from the thread topic

If I ran a company "sh-t I do" would I want to hire employees now? Okay I mean I lean towards being a liberal so lets create a senario that changes my political leaning to a conservative republican and maybe like you I want Texas Givernor Perry to be the next President because under Guv Perry the corporate tax rate goes down, regulations get repealed, SS is privatised, Dodd Frank is repealed and the real biggy I can hire a illegal house keeper and if I don't know that illegals are illegals and how could I because every time I ask them they respond by saying no comprenday ingles senor. So the question is would I want to hire legal workers and help bring down the unemployment rate or would I wait and hope that a bad economy would get Guv Perry elected, I think it is a no brainer I will just hire illegals until Guv Perry and his hat and horse are residing in the White House

Now honestly what would you do if you still ran a 200,000,000 dollar company with 1200 employees?
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Start another thread, let me know when you do, and I will be happy to join you there and discuss those issues. Until then this thread is as follows and so are Obama's results

Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

Obama has 25 plus million unemployed and under employed Americans, more unemployment than when he took office, a smaller labor force, and more discouraged workers dropping out of the labor force. you want to give him four more years?
 
Conservative said:
August 2011, 2 1/2 years after Obama took office

Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

Obama has 25 plus million unemployed and under employed Americans, more unemployment than when he took office, a smaller labor force, and more discouraged workers dropping out of the labor force. you want to give him four more years?
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And still better than Bush, as I just showed you in terms of underemployment.

Bush: 115,505 additional underemployed on average per month

Obama: 106,333 additional underemployed on average per month

Obama is doing better than Bush, yet you would vote for Bush again if you could and criticize others for voting for Obama. :roll:
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
And still better than Bush, as I just showed you in terms of underemployment.

Bush: 115,505 additional underemployed on average per month

Obama: 106,333 additional underemployed on average per month

Obama is doing better than Bush, yet you would vote for Bush again if you could and criticize others for voting for Obama. :roll:
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Hey, don't worry, things are great, only 25 million unemployed and under employed Americans,more unemployed than when he took office and increasing the debt by 4 trillion, reduction of the labor force, and record numbers of discouraged workers throughout his term. You have a job so no problem, right?
 
Conservative said:
Start another thread, let me know when you do, and I will be happy to join you there and discuss those issues. Until then this thread is as follows and so are Obama's results

Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

Obama has 25 plus million unemployed and under employed Americans, more unemployment than when he took office, a smaller labor force, and more discouraged workers dropping out of the labor force. you want to give him four more years?
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I want to give him 8 more years with a democratic senate and congress, I am going to ask you again why would BB " Big Business" or SB "Small Businesses" want to hire when they think that if a repub gets elected in 2012 they will see a bunch of perks
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
And still better than Bush, as I just showed you in terms of underemployment.

Bush: 115,505 additional underemployed on average per month

Obama: 106,333 additional underemployed on average per month

Obama is doing better than Bush, yet you would vote for Bush again if you could and criticize others for voting for Obama. :roll:
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U-6 Unemployment rate

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2001 7.3 7.4 7.3 7.4 7.5 7.9 7.8 8.1 8.7 9.3 9.4 9.6
2002 9.5 9.5 9.4 9.7 9.5 9.5 9.6 9.6 9.6 9.6 9.7 9.8
2003 10.0 10.2 10.0 10.2 10.1 10.3 10.3 10.1 10.4 10.2 10.0 9.8
2004 9.9 9.7 10.0 9.6 9.6 9.5 9.5 9.4 9.4 9.7 9.4 9.2
2005 9.3 9.3 9.1 8.9 8.9 9.0 8.8 8.9 9.0 8.7 8.7 8.6
2006 8.4 8.4 8.2 8.1 8.2 8.4 8.5 8.4 8.0 8.2 8.1 7.9
2007 8.4 8.1 8.0 8.2 8.2 8.3 8.4 8.5 8.4 8.4 8.5 8.8
2008 9.1 8.9 9.0 9.2 9.7 10.1 10.5 10.9 11.2 11.9 12.7 13.6
2009 14.1 15.0 15.6 15.8 16.4 16.6 16.5 16.8 17.0 17.4 17.1 17.2
2010 16.5 16.8 16.8 17.0 16.5 16.5 16.5 16.7 17.1 17.0 17.0 16.7
2011 16.1 15.9 15.7 15.9 15.8 16.2 16.1 16.2

Discouraged workers

2001 301 287 349 349 328 294 310 337 285 331 328 348 321
2002 328 375 330 320 414 342 405 378 392 359 385 403 369
2003 449 450 474 437 482 478 470 503 388 462 457 433 457
2004 432 484 514 492 476 478 504 534 412 429 392 442 466
2005 515 485 480 393 392 476 499 384 362 392 404 451 436
2006 396 386 451 381 323 481 428 448 325 331 349 274 381
2007 442 375 381 399 368 401 367 392 276 320 349 363 369
2008 467 396 401 412 400 420 461 381 467 484 608 642 462
2009 734 731 685 740 792 793 796 758 706 808 861 929 778
2010 1065 1204 994 1197 1083 1207 1185 1110 1209 1219 1282 1318 1173
2011 993 1020 921 989 822 982 1119
 
EarlzP said:
I want to give him 8 more years with a democratic senate and congress, I am going to ask you again why would BB " Big Business" or SB "Small Businesses" want to hire when they think that if a repub gets elected in 2012 they will see a bunch of perks
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He had it 2 years with total overwhelming control of Congress and gave us the following record 2 1/2 years later

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1% GDP growth in 2011, 25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. 38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings.

If what you say is true and you care about putting 25 million plus unemployed and under employed Americans back to work then sounds like a good reason to Fire Obama since obviously in your opinion his record isn't reason enough to do that
 
Conservative said:
U-6 Unemployment rate

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2001 7.3 7.4 7.3 7.4 7.5 7.9 7.8 8.1 8.7 9.3 9.4 9.6
2002 9.5 9.5 9.4 9.7 9.5 9.5 9.6 9.6 9.6 9.6 9.7 9.8
2003 10.0 10.2 10.0 10.2 10.1 10.3 10.3 10.1 10.4 10.2 10.0 9.8
2004 9.9 9.7 10.0 9.6 9.6 9.5 9.5 9.4 9.4 9.7 9.4 9.2
2005 9.3 9.3 9.1 8.9 8.9 9.0 8.8 8.9 9.0 8.7 8.7 8.6
2006 8.4 8.4 8.2 8.1 8.2 8.4 8.5 8.4 8.0 8.2 8.1 7.9
2007 8.4 8.1 8.0 8.2 8.2 8.3 8.4 8.5 8.4 8.4 8.5 8.8
2008 9.1 8.9 9.0 9.2 9.7 10.1 10.5 10.9 11.2 11.9 12.7 13.6
2009 14.1 15.0 15.6 15.8 16.4 16.6 16.5 16.8 17.0 17.4 17.1 17.2
2010 16.5 16.8 16.8 17.0 16.5 16.5 16.5 16.7 17.1 17.0 17.0 16.7
2011 16.1 15.9 15.7 15.9 15.8 16.2 16.1 16.2

Discouraged workers

2001 301 287 349 349 328 294 310 337 285 331 328 348 321
2002 328 375 330 320 414 342 405 378 392 359 385 403 369
2003 449 450 474 437 482 478 470 503 388 462 457 433 457
2004 432 484 514 492 476 478 504 534 412 429 392 442 466
2005 515 485 480 393 392 476 499 384 362 392 404 451 436
2006 396 386 451 381 323 481 428 448 325 331 349 274 381
2007 442 375 381 399 368 401 367 392 276 320 349 363 369
2008 467 396 401 412 400 420 461 381 467 484 608 642 462
2009 734 731 685 740 792 793 796 758 706 808 861 929 778
2010 1065 1204 994 1197 1083 1207 1185 1110 1209 1219 1282 1318 1173
2011 993 1020 921 989 822 982 1119
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When in doubt hit random number hot key. ah ****, some things never change.:lamo
 
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Conservative said:
U-6 Unemployment rate
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Proving what? That Obama is president during the worst recession since the great depression?

When you look at the U6 change rates over time, Bush and Obama are basically the same.

He had it 2 years with total overwhelming control of Congress and gave us the following record 2 1/2 years later
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Do you ever stop lying?

Was the Healthcare Bill passed with overwhelming control?

The funny thing is you pretend to understand this, but you are ignoring the basis of the problem here. Only in your world does a financial crisis that almost collapsed the banking sector fix itself in 2 years. Despite the entirety of history suggesting it takes at least 6 to get back to GDP prior to the recession.
 
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donc said:
When in doubt hit random number hot key. ah ****, some things never change.:lamo
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You are absolutely correct total unemployment numbers and discouraged workers have no impact on the economy and the record that will be on the ballot in 2012. thanks for clearing that up. Glad things are so much better 2 1/2 years after Obama took office. Isn't that what the numbers show?
 
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Please feel free to put the Bush/Obama record side by side using averages. Even with the terrible 2008 the results are Bush by a wide margin in positive results.
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Do you see the economy that Bush gave to Obama and see how it gradually changes:

Jobs:

YearJanFebMarAprMayJunJulAugSepOctNovDec
2008 Gains/
Loss		4-128-87-186-240-217-265-317-434-491-787-636
2009 Gains/
Loss		-841-721-787-773-326-438-287-215-213-250-34-102
2010 Gains/
Loss		-42-21144229486593110109143128167
2011 Gains/
Loss		94261219241997515617
 
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Do you see the economy that Bush gave to Obama and see how it gradually changes:

Jobs:

YearJanFebMarAprMayJunJulAugSepOctNovDec
2008 Gains/Loss4-128-87-186-240-217-265-317-434-491-787-636
2009 Gains/Loss-841-721-787-773-326-438-287-215-213-250-34-102
2010 Gains/Loss-42-21144229486593110109143128167
2011 Gains/Loss94261219241997515617
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So with total control of the Congress thus a blank check how do you explain the numbers I posted 2 1/2 years after taking office? Seems you have such low standards in judging the performance of a liberal, why is that?
 
Conservative said:
U-6 Unemployment rate

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2001 7.3 7.4 7.3 7.4 7.5 7.9 7.8 8.1 8.7 9.3 9.4 9.6
2002 9.5 9.5 9.4 9.7 9.5 9.5 9.6 9.6 9.6 9.6 9.7 9.8
2003 10.0 10.2 10.0 10.2 10.1 10.3 10.3 10.1 10.4 10.2 10.0 9.8
2004 9.9 9.7 10.0 9.6 9.6 9.5 9.5 9.4 9.4 9.7 9.4 9.2
2005 9.3 9.3 9.1 8.9 8.9 9.0 8.8 8.9 9.0 8.7 8.7 8.6
2006 8.4 8.4 8.2 8.1 8.2 8.4 8.5 8.4 8.0 8.2 8.1 7.9
2007 8.4 8.1 8.0 8.2 8.2 8.3 8.4 8.5 8.4 8.4 8.5 8.8
2008 9.1 8.9 9.0 9.2 9.7 10.1 10.5 10.9 11.2 11.9 12.7 13.6
2009 14.1 15.0 15.6 15.8 16.4 16.6 16.5 16.8 17.0 17.4 17.1 17.2
2010 16.5 16.8 16.8 17.0 16.5 16.5 16.5 16.7 17.1 17.0 17.0 16.7
2011 16.1 15.9 15.7 15.9 15.8 16.2 16.1 16.2
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Thanks for showing how the U6 unemployment rate skyrocketed 93% from 7.3% to 14.1% under Bush, a 6.8 point increase; compared to Obama, where the U6 rate increased 15% from 14.1% to 16.2%, a 2.1 point increase.

Yet another area Obama beats Bush in.
 
Conservative said:
He had it 2 years with total overwhelming control of Congress and gave us the following record 2 1/2 years later

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1% GDP growth in 2011, 25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. 38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings.

If what you say is true and you care about putting 25 million plus unemployed and under employed Americans back to work then sounds like a good reason to Fire Obama since obviously in your opinion his record isn't reason enough to do that
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Giving the repubs every thing they want is not a guaranteee that they will create one JOB, Ten years of the Bush tax cuts did what? 30 years of Reagan trickle down did what?

Pres Obama made some critical mistakes he should have nationalized the banks before bailing them out he should have had a big hole dug along side wall street and put wall street in it. He should have pushed any bill through while he had the control of both houses, he should have pushed a bill through making speculation illegal, He is way to willing to compromise, hopefully he is starting to learn that compromising does not work
 
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So with total control of the Congress thus a blank check how do you explain the numbers I posted 2 1/2 years after taking office? Seems you have such low standards in judging the performance of a liberal, why is that?
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Because there were 2½ million jos lost in Obama's first 4 months alone.
 
Why aren't there people on this thread saying that neither Bush nor Obama did very well with jobs, so lets try a new approach?

To try to hide your own parties weaknesses and faults by pointing out the other side's faults is pretty lame. Clean up your own party before you worry about what someone else is doing.

If the opposing party had control of the white house and botched it, and your party took over and botched it too, how on earth can you say your party is better? To do so is simply partisan hackery.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Thanks for showing how the U6 unemployment rate skyrocketed 93% from 7.3% to 14.1% under Bush, a 6.8 point increase; compared to Obama, where the U6 rate increased 15% from 14.1% to 16.2%, a 2.1 point increase.

Yet another area Obama beats Bush in.
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Yep, isn't that terrible, Obama thought is was so bad that he increased it. Another example of percentage change meaning nothing, real people matter and there are over 25 million of them today not impressed by a lower U-6 percentage change but as I stated, you have a job so no problem. You are unaffected by the Obama economic disaster.

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1% GDP growth in 2011, 25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. 38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Because there were 2½ million jos lost in Obama's first 4 months alone.
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Guess they were having problems finding shovels for those shovel ready jobs that the Obama administration said would keep unemployment from exceeding 8%
 
EarlzP said:
Giving the repubs every thing they want is not a guaranteee that they will create one JOB, Ten years of the Bush tax cuts did what? 30 years of Reagan trickle down did what?

Pres Obama made some critical mistakes he should have nationalized the banks before bailing them out he should have had a big hole dug along side wall street and put wall street in it. He should have pushed any bill through while he had the control of both houses, he should have pushed a bill through making speculation illegal, He is way to willing to compromise, hopefully he is starting to learn that compromising does not work
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Ten years of Bush tax cuts rewarded taxpayers by allowing them to keep more of their own money. You have a problem with it, send yours back. Reagan Administration created 17 million jobs after almost two years of job losses.

Why don't you change your leaning to socialist because that is what you are. Obama didn't bail out the Banks Bush did with Obama's support. TARP was passed in October 2008. Guess 14.6 trillion dollars in debt isn't enough for you
 
Conservative said:
Guess they were having problems finding shovels for those shovel ready jobs that the Obama administration said would keep unemployment from exceeding 8%
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Okay so what is your quarterback going to do?
 
dontworrybehappy said:
Why aren't there people on this thread saying that neither Bush nor Obama did very well with jobs, so lets try a new approach?

To try to hide your own parties weaknesses and faults by pointing out the other side's faults is pretty lame. Clean up your own party before you worry about what someone else is doing.

If the opposing party had control of the white house and botched it, and your party took over and botched it too, how on earth can you say your party is better? To do so is simply partisan hackery.
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Who's responsible for the 2½ million jobs lost in the first 4 months of Obama presidency? In fact the whole first year credit was tied up tighter than a drum, who's responsible for that?
 
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