No one is condoning the amount "Bush" Spent but Bush never ran trillion dollar deficits and Bush had 9/11 which GAO puts the cost at over a trillion dollars in direct and indirect costs. I wasn't happy with Bush but faced with the alternative of Gore or Kerry, I chose wisely. Today I will never support sending more money to the Federal Govt. politicians that created this 14.6 trillion dollar debt. why reward bad behavior. It is time to cut Federal Spending and stimulate the private sector to grow our way out of this debt. Not going to happen by just slowing the growth of spending.=The Barbarian;1059782222]You know Conservative, I'm on the same side of the coin with you, and agree with you on many things. But besides being a conservative myself, I'm also a realist. As such, I would only ask you to do the same. Blame? There is enough to go around for everyone. While I respect Bush on some issues, his deficit spending was terrible and having roughly 5 trillion added to our debt under him is something I can't defend. Now we agree fully that Obama has made the situation even worse and for the life of me, I can't understand the liberal view that it's suddenly okay to be running a 1.5 trillion dollar deficit.
But all that aside we are where we are, and we can place all the blame we want it doesn't change where we are. Where we are is dire to put it mildly, and we can't get out of it with just spending cuts, as much as you or I would like that to happen, it's just not feasible. Think about it for a moment, we are 15 trillion dollars in debt, we are running a deficit of 1.5 trillion a year, that means we would have to cut 2 trillion dollars a year in spending just to start paying down our debt by 500 billion per year.
I am willing to send nothing more to the govt. until they get serious about debt reduction and that isn't going to happen by massive expansion of the Federal reach on things like Obamacare and other social engineering programs. That is the responsibility of the states not the Federal Govt. I am one of those conservatives that believe we have a spending problem not a revenue problem. In addition to the 47% of income earners that don't pay any FIT, we have 25 million unemployed and under employed Americans that aren't paying much either. Instead of creating an atmosphere that promotes job growth this govt. is destroying jobs.Now I'm with you 100% on reasonable cuts in spending, and I'm talking about real verifiable cuts in spending, give me that first … then I'm willing to give you the Bush tax cuts back …. but not just the wealthy but all of them. See what you and other conservatives sometimes fail to see, is that it was these tax cuts, that “added” to that number of people that pay no taxes. I believe that we as a nation got ourselves into this mess, and we as a nation need to help get us out of it
Totally agree, we need a flat tax so that everyone pays something. Think of what $100 a year would generate from those 47% of the 140 million American workers that aren't paying any FIT? I want to see a govt. down to the 1.6 trillion dollar range and ould start by taking SS and Medicare off budget immediately. I then would bill every foreign country or deduct it from their foreign aid for illegals from their countries using our ER's. The only way I would support a tax increase is with a balanced budget amendment and then taking the existing debt and pay it off with a debt tax in the form of a Federal Sales Tax. The balanced budget amendment would have to be enforceable though.The best thing we could do (IMO) is to completely redo our tax system, hell I would go so far as to reduce our corporate tax to 10% with no deductions, I'd rather see that, then companies like GE and others getting off with paying nothing. I have always been in favor of only one federal tax, and that being a consumption tax, with everyone getting a pre-bate check from the government for taxes paid up to the poverty level. I am for this sort of tax because it brings such things as illegal money getting taxed where it doesn't now, and even helps with the illegal alien problem, because they still spend money while they are here and thus would be paying taxes.