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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Then how did we ever build the Federal highway system or the Hoover dam. Only a President who cares more about himself than the nation would think only short term.
    You're right. At one time Presidents and the American people did look ahead but thats when America was a different country, when it was a 'can do' nation rather than being mired with so many dependent on the state, and with with various NGO's and protests about any sort of advancement and independence.

    One of the best examples of this is the 9/11 crater in NYC sitting vacant for 10 years while the mayor worries about new Yorkers salt intake. Industry has their hands tied, small businesses are being flummoxed and a level of mistrust and crude portrayals of political opponents has taken over the country. When people use the word "hate" when describing a peaceful group of people whose opinion they don't share then that expresses not only the mood of the country but their under-education and inarticulate ways of expressing themselves as well.

    The United States has become largely ungovernable with too many self interests and strongly held views and where temper tantrums are now a substitute for discussion in order to solve differences. The education system, tied up by unions, is also third rate where 'self esteem' is taught rather than math or reading skills.

    It's a country hopelessly mired in debt yet its citizens are debating the trivial while electing people for reasons quite apart from their abilities to govern properly. America, despite its stock piles of weaponry, is a country which no longer be taken very seriously. There will be sputters and false starts but then it will become just another has-been power, much like the Great Britain.

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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post

    not really. the market hit rock bottom and recovered.... somewhat. those "huge gains" you are referring to only exist because you are taking that particular low point as your starting metric; you are fudging your numbers. compare them to where they should be historically and you will note that in fact our "market gains" are nothing to brag about - especially given our post-downgrade slump.
    That's BS. First of all, my numbers are not fudged. Those are the numbers under Bush from his inauguration day until Obama's and then the numbers since Obama's inauguration. Secondly, saying the market was merely bouncing back from "bottoming out" is also BS. You have no idea how low the market could have gone. The market crashed because of the recession that brgan under Bush and turned around in response to Obama's policies. You admitted yourself that the president's policies affect the market.

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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I don't see it as the private sector or the gov't's fault, but there ARE things that both can do help. The problem is a skills mismatch, the solution is a better education system that should involve cooperation between the private sector and the government, like technical schools.
    Too many merely want to have someone to blame for political purposes. Sure, things cna be done to hurt and help, though I doubt either side was be honest about what those things are. And yes, we need to rethink a lot, and seek something different from the same old same old, both in government and the private sector. That will come slow and hard, sadly.

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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    Now you can continue to buy the rhetoric and believe what you want but the facts are there for you to see yet you choose not to see. If someone spends a trillion dollars you would expect some economic growth and job creation, wouldn't you?
    And we had some. 3.5 million jobs saved/created. You said so yourself. Regrettably, not enough to overcome the 8 million jobs lost during Bush's Great Recession.

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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    And we had some. 3.5 million jobs saved/created. You said so yourself. Regrettably, not enough to overcome the 8 million jobs lost during Bush's Great Recession.
    I guess the biggest problem is they forgot to provide the shovel.
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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post

    nobody, and certainly not the bureaucrat who decided to take my money and force me to invest through my government in it. if this company wants investors, let them get them themselves rather than getting government to take care of their business for them.
    Thinking like might have prevented us from stretching our reach to the moon.

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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    of course no one hired...and they wont hire until after election, its all part of the plan to get a far right corporate/rich friendly republican elected...
    Right after the election no matter if a GOP or Obama wins ...they will start hiring

    Best way to win an election...create a crisis, demoralize the people
    I am not sure they will start hiring in a significant way after the election, output is up, profits are up, so why should they hire? For the last 30 years since Reagan, we've exported manufacturing of goods and services and the Democrats haven't been very good on this score either. For the most part they owe their souls to the corporate masters who really run this nation now. The Republicans have completely sold out and the Democrats are half way there.

    We used to be the biggest creditor nation, now we are one of the biggest debtor nation.

    Bring our jobs home to America!!!!
    Bring our jobs home to America!!!!

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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Cannot wait until you get out into the real world and test all those theories you are learning in school. Let me remind you, Obama has a net job loss declining labor force, fewer jobs today than when he took office and yet he still blames someone else. I welcome any liberal to post side by side records of Bush vs. Obama using actual numbers not percentage change as percentage change is dependent on the base number. Let me start, Bush had a net job gain, growing labor force, more working Americans, a lower misery index, lower deficits, 4.5 trillion GDP growth, and left the country with a triple A credit rating. Your turn
    What the hell are you even yammering on about? Grant and I were having a serious conversation about historical trends, and you try to hijack it with your copy-paste job that has NOTHING to do with what we were talking about. What the hell! What is wrong with you? You can't even let two people have a serious respectful conversation that doesn't directly touch on your OMG OBAMA IS TEH SUX ranting without trying to troll it. What Grant and I were talking has NOTHING to do with Obama or even really the current economic situation. Nothing at all. You, sir, have no respect for other people, no respect for other people's discussions, and no respect for common decency. Please go back to whatever slime infested sewer you crawled out of, and leave the adults alone. You are acting like a disrespectful child whining and throwing a temper tantrum because no one is paying attention to you.

    Also, to address your personal attack about when I get into the "real world", has it ever occurred to you that I might already be there? I moved out a month after my 18th birthday and have been completely independent ever since. Right now I am working, I am thinking about picking up a second job, and I am putting myself through school as a full time student. You, buddy, have no right to make any personal judgements about me.
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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    those of the Keynesian model of redistributive economy.


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    See, it's comments like this that make people assume that conservatives are racist. Not saying you are, but that's how someone could read this comment, especially since the President has never done more than visit Kenya.
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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I am not sure they will start hiring in a significant way after the election, output is up, profits are up, so why should they hire? For the last 30 years since Reagan, we've exported manufacturing of goods and services and the Democrats haven't been very good on this score either. For the most part they owe their souls to the corporate masters who really run this nation now. The Republicans have completely sold out and the Democrats are half way there.

    We used to be the biggest creditor nation, now we are one of the biggest debtor nation.

    Bring our jobs home to America!!!!
    Bring our jobs home to America!!!!
    What about those promises Obama made to address the problems of companies sending jobs over overseas?

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