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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    If you look at when the empire really started, in the 1700's, Enlightenment thought was raging across England. Gibbons even went so far as to attribute the decline of the Roman Empire to being too Christian, as opposed to the more humanistic british empire. While there were religious movements, they weren't as severe as the puritan movements in the 1600s had been. I'd say they were more religous before Empire, and during Empire they were largely humanistic in their government, even if they were still religious as people and are still technically a quasi-theocracy.
    Cannot wait until you get out into the real world and test all those theories you are learning in school. Let me remind you, Obama has a net job loss declining labor force, fewer jobs today than when he took office and yet he still blames someone else. I welcome any liberal to post side by side records of Bush vs. Obama using actual numbers not percentage change as percentage change is dependent on the base number. Let me start, Bush had a net job gain, growing labor force, more working Americans, a lower misery index, lower deficits, 4.5 trillion GDP growth, and left the country with a triple A credit rating. Your turn

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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Which liberal economic policies are causing companies not to hire?

    those of the Keynesian model of redistributive economy.


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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

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    Wasn't that the purpose of the stimulus? Trouble is not enough of it went to those so called "shovel" ready jobs. Since TX has created most of the jobs over the past decade, 45k isn't a lot. The Stimulus saved nothing in this state so not sure what your point is? Stimulus 830 billion dollars and 17 billion of it went to TX, wow, thank you, Obama!

    By the way, the cost per job is 376,000. Great use of taxpayer dollars.
    My point is very simple.

    You claim the Stimulus did nothing to stimulate economic growth and development either in your state or across the country. You, like so many others, also claim that government should get out of the way and allow the private sector to do what it does within a free market system without interference.

    Have you every heard of a company called Texas Engineering Experiement Station (TEES)? It's an engineering research agency out of Texas. Here's what written on their "About Us" webpage:

    We partner with industries, communities and academic institutions to solve problems to help improve the quality of life, promote economic development and enhance the educational systems of Texas. We also promote new technology education and investigate problems in health and the environment. We serve as a catalyst for collaborations that position Texas to be especially competitive for federal dollars and play a major role in strengthening research leadership across the state.

    Since the agency's inception in 1914, our purpose has been to conduct research to produce answers to urban difficulties and thus enhance the quality of life in Texas. Our researchers

    •Perform quality research driven by current public needs.
    •Leverage money we receive from the state to secure federal funding.
    •Help academic institutions grow their research capacity.
    •Improve the state's workforce by attracting more citizens to higher education through research opportunities.
    •Help encourage graduate studies by providing exciting and challenging research opportunities to students.

    It's what we do.

    Our mission is to perform engineering and technology-oriented research and development for the enhancement of the educational systems and the economic development of the state of Texas and the nation.

    That means that we perform relevant research driven by current public needs: that is, research that benefits the needs of the citizens of Texas and the world. And as an institute of higher education, we work to improve student performance in math, science and technology.
    What's this!?! A private R&D engineering company that purposely seeks out state and "federal funding" to help promote education and stimulate job growth? Unheard of!...not in the great state of Texas. They're "self-sustaining" and would never seek federal dollars.

    Of course, I'm mocking you, but my point is there ARE private companies out there who do seek federal aid in order to conduct research and development to help move this country forward. Anyone who thinks this doesn't happen or even believes it should stop completely is just not acknowledging what is and has been a "partnership in this country's continuing growth and development over the centuries" - that the federal government does play a role in job growth and creation in this country. It may be through indirect means, i.e., federal grants and loans such as the $1.93M this company has received via Stimulus funds (which has managed to create 173 jobs, BTW, not large numbers for sure, but it is a R&D firm...), but it has a place and clearly this company routinely goes out of its way to secure state and federal funding. I just think it's laughable when people such as yourself decree that the federal government should just step aside, get out of the way of the private secton, when here is a perfect example of how a private company routinely seeking federal funding - stimulus dollars no less...in the millions - to help stimulus the local, state and national economy. But let you tell it, the federal government has no place in the private sector.
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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    My point is very simple.

    You claim the Stimulus did nothing to stimulate economic growth and development either in your state or across the country. You, like so many others, also claim that government should get out of the way and allow the private sector to do what it does within a free market system without interference.

    Have you every heard of a company called Texas Engineering Experiement Station (TEES)? It's an engineering research agency out of Texas. Here's what written on their "About Us" webpage:



    What's this!?! A private R&D engineering company that purposely seeks out state and "federal funding" to help promote education and stimulate job growth? Unheard of!...not in the great state of Texas. They're "self-sustaining" and would never seek federal dollars.

    Of course, I'm mocking you, but my point is there ARE private companies out there who do seek federal aid in order to conduct research and development to help move this country forward. Anyone who thinks this doesn't happen or even believes it should stop completely is just not acknowledging what is and has been a "partnership in this country's continuing growth and development over the centuries" - that the federal government does play a role in job growth and creation in this country. It may be through indirect means, i.e., federal grants and loans such as the $1.93M this company has received via Stimulus funds (which has managed to create 173 jobs, BTW, not large numbers for sure, but it is a R&D firm...), but it has a place and clearly this company routinely goes out of its way to secure state and federal funding. I just think it's laughable when people such as yourself decree that the federal government should just step aside, get out of the way of the private secton, when here is a perfect example of how a private company routinely seeking federal funding - stimulus dollars no less...in the millions - to help stimulus the local, state and national economy. But let you tell it, the federal government has no place in the private sector.
    Sounds like BS to me...I say cut it off. If the idea is good enough to survive on its own then it is worth while.


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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Well either Obama's policies affect the market or they don't. One cannot rationally posit that the only time the president's policies affect the market is when the market is dropping
    well that is correct. however, to argue that the economy has recovered because the stock market has partially recovered is crap. by the historical standard, we should be reducing unemployment by leaps and bounds, and growing at about 7-8% annual right now; but we are nowhere near accomplishing either of these things. that is largely the result of the policies pursued by this administration, and it is that for which he is held responsible.

    It makes no sense at all to say the market is dropping because of his policies ... and, oh yeah, by the way, the huge market increases since his stimulus plan are unrelated to Obama's policies.
    not really. the market hit rock bottom and recovered.... somewhat. those "huge gains" you are referring to only exist because you are taking that particular low point as your starting metric; you are fudging your numbers. compare them to where they should be historically and you will note that in fact our "market gains" are nothing to brag about - especially given our post-downgrade slump.

    Councilman was suggesting the recent market loses are due to Obama's policies ... then what does he think about the market being up 36% to 63%, depending on the index?
    my bet would be that he thinks the same thing I do - that there was a massive panic after the financials tanked, but that those sectors that were still healthy merely became awesome buying opportunities. The same thing just happened again in miniature - plenty of healthy companies out there just had their stock price drop along with the market, and P/E ratio's still say it's a good time to buy.

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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Sounds like BS to me...I say cut it off. If the idea is good enough to survive on its own then it is worth while.
    agreed. another parasite we need not.

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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    those of the Keynesian model of redistributive economy.


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    dont' forget Obamacare, the EPA regulations, the NLRB taking on Boeing....

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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    My point is very simple.

    You claim the Stimulus did nothing to stimulate economic growth and development either in your state or across the country. You, like so many others, also claim that government should get out of the way and allow the private sector to do what it does within a free market system without interference.

    Have you every heard of a company called Texas Engineering Experiement Station (TEES)? It's an engineering research agency out of Texas. Here's what written on their "About Us" webpage:



    :Shock: What's this!?! A private R&D engineering company that purposely seeks out state and "federal funding" to help promote education and stimulate job growth? Unheard of!...not in the great state of Texas. They're "self-sustaining" and would never seek federal dollars.

    Of course, I'm mocking you, but my point is there ARE private companies out there who do seek federal aid in order to conduct research and development to help move this country forward. Anyone who thinks this doesn't happen or even believes it should stop completely is just not acknowledging what is and has been a "partnership in this country's continuing growth and development over the centuries" - that the federal government does play a role in job growth and creation in this country. It may be through indirect means, i.e., federal grants and loans such as the $1.93M this company has received via Stimulus funds (which has managed to create 173 jobs, BTW, not large numbers for sure, but it iss a R&D firm...), but it has a place and clearly this company routinely goes out of its way to secure federal funding. I just think it's laughable when people such as yourself decree that the federal government should just step aside, get out of the way of the private secton, when here is a perfect example of how a private company routinely seeking federal funding - stimulus dollars no less...in the millions - to help stimulus the local, state and national economy. But let you tell it, the federal government has no place in the private sector.
    Now you can continue to buy the rhetoric and believe what you want but the facts are there for you to see yet you choose not to see. If someone spends a trillion dollars you would expect some economic growth and job creation, wouldn't you? That was short term and didn't do what it was supposed to do which was motivate the private sector to expand, grow, and hire.

    The GDP of this country is made up of 4 components of which Govt. spending is one, by far not the largest, but any govt. spending is going to help the GDP but not enough to make that big of a difference. You can see the results of the stimulus as follows remembering that the fiscal year of the U.S. is October-September, thus first qtr GDP is Oct-Dec( Fiscal year 2010 is October 2009 to September 2010)

    GDP Growth

    Fiscal Year 2009, October 2008-September 2009

    1st -6.7
    2nd -.7
    3rd 1.7
    4th 3.8

    Fiscal year 2010 (October 2009-September 2010

    1st 3.9
    2nd 3.8
    3rd 2.5
    4th 2.3

    Fiscal Year 2011(October 2010 to September 2011)

    1st .4
    2nd 1.0

    Notice a trend here? The stimulus was a total and complete failure as evidenced by the results TODAY, 2 1/2 years after implementation. Liberals always forget that Obama was in the Congress that created the mess and Obama economic policy was implemented in February 2009, not later in the year like most Presidents had to endure thus his record 2 years after the end of a recession is disastrous. You are going to believe what you want to believe but the facts just make you look foolish.

    What is it about liberalism that creates such loyalty?

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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Sounds like BS to me...I say cut it off. If the idea is good enough to survive on its own then it is worth while.


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    Perhaps whatever this company develops and presents to the marketplace will eventually become self-sustaining. Who knows. Point is, there are privately held companies out there who do seek federal dollars for their research and development in order to bring new ideals and new technologies to the marketplace. Of course, the flip-side of that which is what you're arguing is if a company does have reputation of cranking out good ideas and good products shouldn't they be able to do so on their own nickle?

    An interesting paradox for sure....

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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    If you look at when the empire really started, in the 1700's, Enlightenment thought was raging across England.
    Empire Peaked at the end turn of the 19th/20th Century. and the 1700's saw the Great Awakening. No, they weren't Cromwellians, but to state that that somehow means they were less Christian is silly. I would urge you to read Niall Ferguson's excellent chapter on the interplay between religion and Empire in his book of that title.

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