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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Con, are you going to completely ignore my post? I figured as much.
    Waste of time. You can prove him wrong on a point a hundred times and he'll trot it out for the 101st time like nothing ever happened.

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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    My position is that the republicans and republican pressure is largely to blame for the poor job growth. Let's look at some more recent numbers, conservative.

    Jobs created, per thousands, by month

    Jan 68
    Feb 235
    Mar 194
    Apr 217 (GOP threatens to shutdown gov., gets major spending cuts)
    May 53
    Jun 20
    Jul 85 (may-jul: spending cuts take effect, GOP holds debt ceiling raise hostage, gets more spending cuts)
    Aug 0 (GOP wins even more spending cuts)


    So it seems to me, that the GOP's crusade for spending cuts is doing some harm to the economy. Now, I'll do something Conservative never does: give a source for my numbers!

    http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/data/PAYEMS.txt
    Thanks, makeout hobo.

    You just proved what myself and others have been saying for a while now...obstructionist actions by the GOP are what's killing job growth in the country. Very little of it can be blamed on the policies of the Obama Administration as some would have one believe. Contrary to popular belif, the economy was showing signs of recovery until the budget battles loomed and GOP governors started forcing public employees off the rolls. Things started going downhill from there.

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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Waste of time. You can prove him wrong on a point a hundred times and he'll trot it out for the 101st time like nothing ever happened.
    No truer words were ever posted.

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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    There are jobs available. Its not the employers' faults that the people out of work don't have the skills needed for them. It's not Obama's, either. Until those people smarten up, we're likely to see this high of an unemployment for quite some time. I've been saying that this is likely to be the new normal since I joined this board. The government's done about as much as it can to fix this. The government won't fix this and neither will the free market. It'll either be death or the changing of human nature. I'm not sure which will come sooner
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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Put the averages side by side, Sheik, and then ask the 25+ million unemployed and under employed, or the 16.7% black unemployed if they care about the percentage change between Bush and Obama?

    Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
    2001 4.2 4.2 4.3 4.4 4.3 4.5 4.6 4.9 5.0 5.3 5.5 5.7
    2002 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.9 5.8 5.8 5.8 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.9 6.0
    2003 5.8 5.9 5.9 6.0 6.1 6.3 6.2 6.1 6.1 6.0 5.8 5.7
    2004 5.7 5.6 5.8 5.6 5.6 5.6 5.5 5.4 5.4 5.5 5.4 5.4
    2005 5.3 5.4 5.2 5.2 5.1 5.0 5.0 4.9 5.0 5.0 5.0 4.9
    2006 4.7 4.8 4.7 4.7 4.6 4.6 4.7 4.7 4.5 4.4 4.5 4.4
    2007 4.6 4.5 4.4 4.5 4.4 4.6 4.7 4.6 4.7 4.7 4.7 5.0
    2008 5.0 4.8 5.1 4.9 5.4 5.6 5.8 6.1 6.2 6.6 6.8 7.3
    2009 7.8 8.2 8.6 8.9 9.4 9.5 9.5 9.7 9.8 10.1 9.9 9.9
    2010 9.7 9.7 9.7 9.8 9.6 9.5 9.5 9.6 9.6 9.7 9.8 9.4
    2011 9.0 8.9 8.8 9.0 9.1 9.2 9.1 9.1
    You sure are desperate to average those numbers out, eh Con? I wonder why?

    Oh wait, here's why ... because it hides the fact that Clinton nearly halved unemployment ... because it hides the fact that Bush nearly doubled unemployment ... because it hides the fact that unemployment has only gone up 17% under Obama ... because it hides the fact that Bush benefitted from the housing bubble during those years before it burst.

    No wonder you're desperate.

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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Sorry, that is bull****, 10.8%unemployment, 20 misery index, 17.5% + mortgate rates and it started in July 1981 ended in Nov. 1982 due to a pro growth economic policy.
    Now con, there's an amazing concept I'm going to explain to you. When you make a claim about facts, you back up the claim with a link to facts. Otherwise, I have no idea whether you're making things up or not. I at least have linked to sources for my claims. If you look at the graph I posted, the peak job loss for 81-82 was about 3%, vs over 6% in this one. We're in a much deeper hole, here. Or is there another metric you deem more indicative of how bad a recession was?

    Did you live and work during the 81-82 recession?
    Personal anecdotes have no place in a dispute about facts.
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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Thanks, makeout hobo.

    You just proved what myself and others have been saying for a while now...obstructionist actions by the GOP are what's killing job growth in the country. Very little of it can be blamed on the policies of the Obama Administration as some would have one believe. Contrary to popular belif, the economy was showing signs of recovery until the budget battles loomed and GOP governors started forcing public employees off the rolls. Things started going downhill from there.
    Employment during the Obama Administration, January 2009 142.2 million employed, August 2011 139.6. U-6 unemployment 16.2%. Spin the actual numbers?

    2009 142221 141687 140854 140902 140438 140038 139817 139433 138768 138242 138381 137792
    2010 138333 138641 138905 139455 139420 139119 138960 139250 139391 139061 138888 139206
    2011 139323 139573 139864 139674 139779 139334 139296 139627

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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    There are jobs available. Its not the employers' faults that the people out of work don't have the skills needed for them. It's not Obama's, either. Until those people smarten up, we're likely to see this high of an unemployment for quite some time. I've been saying that this is likely to be the new normal since I joined this board. The government's done about as much as it can to fix this. The government won't fix this and neither will the free market. It'll either be death or the changing of human nature. I'm not sure which will come sooner
    So, those jobs that are available either require skills or an education, both of which are commonly learned at a place of higher education today (vocation school or university). Since people that are out of work don't have money to pay for an education to learn new skills, what would you propose is done about that? If they're unemployed, they don't have money to pay for school.
    The Makeout Hobo is real, and does indeed travel around the country in his van and make out with ladies... If you meet the Makeout Hobo, it is customary to greet him with a shot of whiskey and a high five (if you are a dude) or passionate makeouts (if you are a lady).

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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I won't be voting for Bush in 2012.
    If you're going to vote for a Republican, you will be voting for the exact same economic playbook Bush worked from. So yeah, you will be voting for Bush in 2012.
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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Employment during the Obama Administration, January 2009 142.2 million employed, August 2011 139.6. U-6 unemployment 16.2%. Spin the actual numbers?

    2009 142221 141687 140854 140902 140438 140038 139817 139433 138768 138242 138381 137792
    2010 138333 138641 138905 139455 139420 139119 138960 139250 139391 139061 138888 139206
    2011 139323 139573 139864 139674 139779 139334 139296 139627
    I refuse to believe your numbers until you link to a source for your numbers. I'm going to say employment was a bazillion jobs. Prove me wrong. Also, like I said, the current drop is due to GOP backed spending cuts.
    The Makeout Hobo is real, and does indeed travel around the country in his van and make out with ladies... If you meet the Makeout Hobo, it is customary to greet him with a shot of whiskey and a high five (if you are a dude) or passionate makeouts (if you are a lady).

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