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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

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    Is Obama responsible for the 2011 results or do you want to blame someone else for those as well, probably Bush?
    Of course he is. See how easy it is to answer a question? So how come you didn't answer mine?

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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

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    What question?
    Questions, actually. You can pick them out by looking at the sentences that end in question marks:

    For example, is it Obama's fault that in 2004 - 2007, people paid way too much for housing, which has resulted in millions of mortgages being under water? If not, is it Obama's fault that the residential construction industry is still depressed, putting all of those construction and real estate people out of work? Is it Obama's fault that Greece is close to defaulting on its debt, causing our stock market to drop?

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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Of course he is. See how easy it is to answer a question? So how come you didn't answer mine?
    Yours wasn't relative to either the thread topic or to Obama which is part of the thread topic

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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

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    Questions, actually. You can pick them out by looking at the sentences that end in question marks:

    For example, is it Obama's fault that in 2004 - 2007, people paid way too much for housing, which has resulted in millions of mortgages being under water? If not, is it Obama's fault that the residential construction industry is still depressed, putting all of those construction and real estate people out of work? Is it Obama's fault that Greece is close to defaulting on its debt, causing our stock market to drop?
    That question was answered, you don't like the answer. Obama as part of the Congress was indeed responsible for the results while he was in that Congress. Obama is responsible for the economy now and since the residential construction industry is still depressed 2 1/2 years after taking office yes he is responsible along with the Congress. Obama is in over his head and you simply cannot admit it. He doesn't have a clue

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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

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    Yours wasn't relative to either the thread topic or to Obama which is part of the thread topic
    So what? Neither was yours but I still mustered the courage to answer it. So why are you running away from my question?

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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Umm, it was that very same housing bubble which fueled the economy during the mid-2000's which led to the financial meltdown that occurred in 2008.
    Exactly my point, Bush got a semi-favorable economy because Clinton signed on to export GDP to China, resulting in the source of low interest rates to fuel the bubble (current account surplus China). Although Bush had to cope with manufacturing jobs leaving the country ... he benefited from jobs being created by housing starts ... which kept unemployment low.

    So Bush gets a decent economy through no action of his own ... and a bubble at the end of his second term. Obama gets an economy that has no manufacturing or housing starts ... and cannot be stimulated due to consumption issues.

    As President ... which economy would you want handed to you? Me I'll take the one with less problems. Obama was fecked to begin with ... don't take that as support for him ... merely a nonpartisan observation.
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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael H View Post
    Exactly my point, Bush got a semi-favorable economy because Clinton signed on to export GDP to China, resulting in the source of low interest rates to fuel the bubble (current account surplus China). Although Bush had to cope with manufacturing jobs leaving the country ... he benefited from jobs being created by housing starts ... which kept unemployment low.

    So Bush gets a decent economy through no action of his own ... and a bubble at the end of his second term. Obama gets an economy that has no manufacturing or housing starts ... and cannot be stimulated due to consumption issues.

    As President ... which economy would you want handed to you? Me I'll take the one with less problems. Obama was fecked to begin with ... don't take that as support for him ... merely a nonpartisan observation.
    Totally disagree, I prefer taking on the challenge and the economy in disarray instead of the one that was less worse shape. I like the challenge and the benefits that I can create. Obama's resume showed he was in over his head and lacked the experience to handle the problem and the results showed that to be true

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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

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    Totally disagree, I prefer taking on the challenge and the economy in disarray instead of the one that was less worse shape. I like the challenge and the benefits that I can create. Obama's resume showed he was in over his head and lacked the experience to handle the problem and the results showed that to be true
    Most economists supported the stimulus ... I don't. The stimulus was misguided and/or at least in the way it was applied. I don't view the challenge of facing consumption issues a challenge ... merely swimming upstream. Manufacturing as a base takes a kick start much better then our economy which exported its manufacturing base. Hence you see Romney and Kucinich getting mouthy about Chinese business practices.

    Also the higher unemployment and downward pressure on wages, eat away at the consumption that would drive small business growth ... stagnant or no small business growth.

    We shall soon see, depending on the next stimulus being approved if a non-manufacturing based economy can be stimulated.
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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael H View Post
    Most economists supported the stimulus ... I don't. The stimulus was misguided and/or at least in the way it was applied. I don't view the challenge of facing consumption issues a challenge ... merely swimming upstream. Manufacturing as a base takes a kick start much better then our economy which exported its manufacturing base. Hence you see Romney and Kucinich getting mouthy about Chinese business practices.

    Also the higher unemployment and downward pressure on wages, eat away at the consumption that would drive small business growth ... stagnant or no small business growth.

    We shall soon see, depending on the next stimulus being approved if a non-manufacturing based economy can be stimulated.
    The problem with this Administration is that any benefits are offset by expenses on the other side, expenses like regulations, potential tax hikes, Obamacare. No business is going to hire with the uncertainties created by this Administration.

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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    doesn't the job seeker number increase every year? I think if you add in those entering the job market you'd come out in the negative.

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    Total employment is total employment. The claim was there are less jobs than when this administration began (as a strawman mind you), which is simply untrue. What explicitly are you stating that is "negative"?
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