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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Really? so claiming that wall street is "conservative" is just mindless rot
    Conservatives absolutely defend Wall Street, Wall Street puts there money where think is the best "investment." In 2008 that was Obama.

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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    That normally is the position of liberals, they really don't give a **** about anything that counters their personal opinion. There is no question that there will always be new workers paying into SS but it will not be enough to pay for the IOU's in Intergovt. holdings and pay the retiring baby boomers. You are right, you don't give a **** which is probably the truest statement you have made in this forum
    Should I assume you're not accepting any Social Security benefits, Conservative?

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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    But this keeps capital in industries where it should not be kept. Like in construction. We can't ignore a distorted structure of production. Capital needs to be used where it is most efficient, and government expenditures necessarily make it less efficient.
    That depends on how you define efficient. There's no question government wastes money. But at the same time, without government expenditures, we wouldn't have a nuclear industry, a space industry, commercial airlines, dozens of major drugs and many major medical breakthroughs. I don't see how spending money on a plant to make pet rocks is more efficient use of capital then using it on medical research.

    Agreed. I know of no economist clamoring for tax cuts who does not admit short term pain.
    Which is why we have no respect for Conservative. His views are pretty much insane.

    Have they cut enough? Because the debt is still there, isn't it? And you're right that backing private loans is a bad idea.
    Just because the debt is still there doesn't mean they haven't cut enough. No one rational expects Greece to get rid of its debt quickly. But a sign of good governance is when debt reduction starts to come primarily from increased revenues from activity rather than cuts.
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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Who then must pay back this money the government spent poorly and decreasing their buying power.
    Where did you get the notion that buying power decreases?

    I've not seen anyone argue that.
    You haven't been paying attention to Bachmann. Or Conservative.

    Which in part is what we are doing and the vast majority of people supported it.
    But it also got them in trouble.
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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Really? so claiming that wall street is "conservative" is just mindless rot
    For the most part yes. Wall Street is essentially opportunistic. Wall Street has plenty to like and dislike from both parties. They like that Democrats will increase government outlays increasing aggregate demand and overall wealth for them to play with. At the same time, they dislike the increased business regulation. Wall Street likes the fact that Republicans will reduce regulation and reduces taxes, but they dislike the religious growth of laws as well as potential cuts reducing growth. Wall Street fluctuates based on perceived views of which downside of each party is worse at the time. Right now it's no wonder that Wall Street is basically sitting on the fence. They really dislike the austerity plans under Republicans, but they really dislike the regulation under Democrats. They as a group haven't figured out which is worse for them in the long run.
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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Where did you get the notion that buying power decreases?
    Form the same notion that tells Obama that by cutting the tax it will increase buying power.

    But it also got them in trouble.
    Got who in trouble?

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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Form the same notion that tells Obama that by cutting the tax it will increase buying power.
    You're going to have to clarify that.

    Got who in trouble?
    Greece.
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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    That depends on how you define efficient. There's no question government wastes money. But at the same time, without government expenditures, we wouldn't have a nuclear industry, a space industry, commercial airlines, dozens of major drugs and many major medical breakthroughs. I don't see how spending money on a plant to make pet rocks is more efficient use of capital then using it on medical research.
    This is very true, however nice it is to spend on worthy things when the money is abundant, it is also true that spending without boundaries is a recipe for collapse.

    Which is why we have no respect for Conservative. His views are pretty much insane.
    That is pretty harsh is it not? Couldn't you just say that you disagree with him? Or is the draw to use Allinsky tactics of 'destroy your opponent' just too strong?

    Just because the debt is still there doesn't mean they haven't cut enough.
    What actual cuts have been enacted? So far all I see are these fictitious "cuts" to proposed future spending increase that no congress in the future is bound to put into place...It is a shell game.

    But a sign of good governance is when debt reduction starts to come primarily from increased revenues from activity rather than cuts.
    Do you realize how backwards that sounds? Sure spending other peoples money is just fine, until you run out.

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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    This is very true, however nice it is to spend on worthy things when the money is abundant, it is also true that spending without boundaries is a recipe for collapse.
    Hence why one must figure out their priorities.

    That is pretty harsh is it not? Couldn't you just say that you disagree with him? Or is the draw to use Allinsky tactics of 'destroy your opponent' just too strong?
    I'll put it this way. He could not figure out that the BLS data he was citing was cumulative. He thought it was all monthly changes. That the US unemployment population increased by 10 million every month. The problem is that the next column over, total US population would double every month as well. Half a dozen pages of people pointing stuff like that out couldn't get it through his head that he was wrong. It took a very public poll making a mockery of him to get him to realize he was reading his own data wrong. I'm on his ignore list for that very reason. When a user cannot even understand the data he cites, it's hard to respect him. Especially when he refuses to admit he's wrong in the face of basic chart and graph reading.

    What actual cuts have been enacted? So far all I see are these fictitious "cuts" to proposed future spending increase that no congress in the future is bound to put into place...It is a shell game.
    Greece has cut everything from public pensions to emergency worker payrolls. Greeks are rioting in the streets for basically good reasons. Their government is cutting to the point where public safety is becoming questionable.

    Do you realize how backwards that sounds? Sure spending other peoples money is just fine, until you run out.

    j-mac
    It's not backwards at all. When tax revenues to pay off debt increase due to increased activity rather than spending cuts, it's a sign you're back on track. Corporations never quite feel they are doing better in the long run when their profits expand from bottom line cuts. They feel better when it's top line growth. You only can cut so much before you encounter structural problems. Debt reduction from top line growth is a sign you're actually on the manageable path to solvency.
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