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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Anybody find it ironic that the anti-government types are bitching about the government not doing enough to add jobs?
    Isn't it government that exported GDP ... and then wasted a stimulus? Now they want to waste more on another stimulus and export more GDP. How can you not complain?
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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    The deadlist month on record in the middle east was under Obama.
    BTW, another claim you have wrong. It's not even true concerning the wars, which is not the entire middle east. Iraq has seen much larger totals.

    Look here:

    iCasualties: Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom Casualties

    And here:

    iCasualties | OIF | Iraq | Fatalities By Month

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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    BTW, another claim you have wrong. It's not even true concerning the wars, which is not the entire middle east. Iraq has seen much larger totals.

    Look here:

    iCasualties: Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom Casualties

    And here:

    iCasualties | OIF | Iraq | Fatalities By Month
    Exactly how did we get from ...


    "We's fightin' 'em o'er there so's we doesn't have ta fight 'em over here!"


    ... to ...


    "The deadlist month on record in the middle east was under Obama."



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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    I don't buy that. I believe attacks like that can indeed be thwarted. If they couldn't be, then there's no point in fighting terrorism. But one thing is for certain -- doing absolutely nothing will not prevent an attack.


    And under those circumstances, you or I would do everything within our power to protect ourselves. Neither one of us would simply sit back and accept our fate was doomed, believing that person was so intent on killing us that they would succeed. We wouldn't do what Bush did, which was to ignore the warnings and do absolutely nothing to protect the nation he led.


    I find that analogy rather absurd. You are basing a potential crime based on statistics and not on intelligence and comparing that with a terrorist attack which had a mountain of intelligence. Even so, L.A. police will be working vigilantly to prevent crime, whereas Bush did nothing.

    And while I have no choice but to agree the PDB handed Bush was vague, he still could have taken some action. It did mention possible hijackings and it did mention New York. Clinton was also handed a PDB warning him of a possible attack, not as vague as Bush's, but he still took action and had airport security raised during the threat at some airports in the northeast. Did it thwart the attack? Who knows? Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. But the attack didn't go off as planned. Fast forward 3 years and now George Bush is in the White House, he does absolutely nothing to prevent an attack he knows is coming. And within little over an hour, 4 planes are hijacked and kamazied into the WTC and the Pentagon.

    And to be clear, I'm not saying even had he done something, it would have been successful at thwarting the attack; I'm just amazed anyone can defend him doing absolutely nothing.



    Bush blaming clinton (and Reagan) for 9.11 ...

    "They looked at our response after the hostage crisis in Iran, the bombings of the Marine barracks in Lebanon, the first World Trade Center attack, the killing of American soldiers in Somalia, the destruction of two U.S. embassies in Africa, and the attack on the USS Cole. They concluded that free societies lacked the courage and character to defend themselves against a determined enemy." ~ George Bush, 8.30.2005

    Bush blaming Clinton for the economy ...

    "The American economy began slowing last summer." ~ George Bush, 3.27.2001

    "When I took office, our economy was beginning a recession." ~ George Bush, 8.30.2005

    "You know, I'm the President during this period of time, but I think when the history of this period is written, people will realize a lot of the decisions that were made on Wall Street took place over a decade or so, before I arrived in President, during I arrived in President." ~ George Bush, 12.1.2008

    A bit vague ??? That is putting it mildly, you will really use any bit of information to go after Bush won't you ? One has to wonder if your not on Obama's payroll. I've seen partisan hacks before... . This leads the way .


    http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB116/pdb8-6-2001.pdf


    There is the actual released PDB that you are talking about …. I encourage everyone to read it and lets remember this was given to President Bush August 6 2001 35 days before the attack. I hope anyone reading this sees just how “ a bit vague “ This document given to the president just 35 days before the attack took place …. really is. In My Option only a jerk off a**hol * could even vaguely imply that anyone could have done anything with this PDB




    Now on to your feeble attempts of showing where Bush blamed Clinton .. your first, he doesn't name Clinton, he doesn't name a party in our government, in fact the closest thing to naming anyone is . . “They concluded that free societies lacked the courage and character to defend themselves against a determined enemy."


    To use your term a “bit vague” Personally .. I'd call it weak assed.


    The rest is much the same … Clinton, past administration, democrats, or anyone else for that matter were not even mentioned ….it's pretty plan to see your arguments here are weak … and hold nothing even resembling placing blame at a party, or any administration..... but to a far leaning lefty like yourself .. well . I guess to you they do. That says a lot about your character..............

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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    you will really use any bit of information to go after Bush won't you ? One has to wonder if your not on Obama's payroll. I've seen partisan hacks before... . This leads the way .


    http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/...db8-6-2001.pdf
    Thanks, great post. Won't matter though and nothing will until he seeks mental health treatment for BDS.

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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post

    A bit vague ??? That is putting it mildly, you will really use any bit of information to go after Bush won't you ? One has to wonder if your not on Obama's payroll. I've seen partisan hacks before... . This leads the way .


    http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB116/pdb8-6-2001.pdf


    There is the actual released PDB that you are talking about …. I encourage everyone to read it and lets remember this was given to President Bush August 6 2001 35 days before the attack. I hope anyone reading this sees just how “ a bit vague “ This document given to the president just 35 days before the attack took place …. really is. In My Option only a jerk off a**hol * could even vaguely imply that anyone could have done anything with this PDB
    Sure, uh-huh. <sarcasm>It's perfectly reasonable to not lift a finger to raise airport security to at least try to prevent a hijacking</sarcasm> after reading:


    Nevertheless, FBI information since that time indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings ...


    And that was just one warning.


    "THE SYSTEM WAS BLINKING RED"

    Tenet told us that in his world “the system was blinking red.” By late July, Tenet said, it could not “get any worse.”30 Not everyone was convinced. Some asked whether all these threats might just be deception. On June 30, the SEIB contained an article titled “Bin Ladin Threats Are Real.”Yet Hadley told Tenet in July that Deputy Secretary of Defense PaulWolfowitz questioned the reporting. Perhaps Bin Ladin was trying to study U.S. reactions.Tenet replied that he had already addressed the Defense Department’s questions on this point; the reporting was convincing.To give a sense of his anxiety at the time, one senior official in the Counterterrorist Center told us that he and a colleague were considering resigning in order to go public with their concerns.31

    - Chapter 8, 9.11 Commission

    http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/pdf/sec8.pdf


    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post

    Now on to your feeble attempts of showing where Bush blamed Clinton .. your first, he doesn't name Clinton, he doesn't name a party in our government, in fact the closest thing to naming anyone is . . “They concluded that free societies lacked the courage and character to defend themselves against a determined enemy."
    WTF?? Who do you think he's talking abouit when he said they evaluated our response to the WTC93, blowing up the embassies, and bombing the U.S.S. Cole?? Who do you think is responsible for responding to those attacks if not the president? Who do you think Bush was speaking about if not Clinton? Mickey Mouse?



    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post

    To use your term a “bit vague” Personally .. I'd call it weak assed.
    Spits the poster who just said Bush didn't "name Clinton," even though Bush was talking about him.
    Last edited by Sheik Yerbuti; 09-08-11 at 06:41 PM.

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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    A bit vague ??? That is putting it mildly, you will really use any bit of information to go after Bush won't you ? One has to wonder if your not on Obama's payroll. I've seen partisan hacks before... . This leads the way .


    http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB116/pdb8-6-2001.pdf


    There is the actual released PDB that you are talking about …. I encourage everyone to read it and lets remember this was given to President Bush August 6 2001 35 days before the attack. I hope anyone reading this sees just how “ a bit vague “ This document given to the president just 35 days before the attack took place …. really is. In My Option only a jerk off a**hol * could even vaguely imply that anyone could have done anything with this PDB




    Now on to your feeble attempts of showing where Bush blamed Clinton .. your first, he doesn't name Clinton, he doesn't name a party in our government, in fact the closest thing to naming anyone is . . “They concluded that free societies lacked the courage and character to defend themselves against a determined enemy."


    To use your term a “bit vague” Personally .. I'd call it weak assed.


    The rest is much the same … Clinton, past administration, democrats, or anyone else for that matter were not even mentioned ….it's pretty plan to see your arguments here are weak … and hold nothing even resembling placing blame at a party, or any administration..... but to a far leaning lefty like yourself .. well . I guess to you they do. That says a lot about your character..............
    Look, I think there is plenty of blame to go around, including before he took office. But it simply isn't unreasonable to think he could have been working on improving security and being concerned about an attack. There were warnings.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post

    Look, I think there is plenty of blame to go around, including before he took office. But it simply isn't unreasonable to think he could have been working on improving security and being concerned about an attack. There were warnings.
    How is it our little rightie friends can point to all of the terrorist attacks while Clinton was president (one even listed them and there were quite a few) -- but then go on to defend George Bush for coming into office and then turning his back to terrorism? Guess they think Clinton did such a marvelous job combatting terrorism that Bush didn't even need to concern himself about it.

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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    How is it our little rightie friends can point to all of the terrorist attacks while Clinton was president (one even listed them and there were quite a few) -- but then go on to defend George Bush for coming into office and then turning his back to terrorism? Guess they think Clinton did such a marvelous job combatting terrorism that Bush didn't even need to concern himself about it.


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