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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    What a pity you have no concept of how our government functions. For your edification, it's the Congress which spends money, not people put in charge by Obama. Secondly, the president cannot tell Congress how to spend money from the previous budget. Why you persist with that nonsense even though you know that is beyond me, but if the president could do as you suggest, you would have shown where the Constitution grants the president such a power over the Congress by now. You haven't because you know the notion that the president controls the purse strings is completely absurd.


    Well you're free to copy & paste the part you believe shows that 9.11 cost $1 trillion but you dont. And the reason you don't is because you can't and the reason you can't is because it's not in there. You are making that up.


    More BS. If you could have proven it, you would have. You haven't proven it because you can't. Don't you even understand that everyone here reading this knows that?

    And claiming you are rounding only serves to expose more of your lies. Explain how $639B rounds up to "
    more than 1 trillion dollars?"


    Numbers are useless in terms of comparison because they don't factor in workforce growth. You know this but you pretend like it doesn't matter because you like the numbers better without factoring in workforce growth.
    Sheik, you don't have a clue, Congress appropriates the money, individuals spend it, ie. Defense Secretary and his staff, Commerce Secretary and staff, and so on. Congress does not run the departments. I can see you never ran anything. I gave my managers a budget to spend, didn't require them to spend it all, but they spent the money and were accountable for the results at the end of the year. Accountability is something you don't understand among other things.

    Read the article but regardless, you don't want to believe it, then believe I rounded up

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    Anyone have an opinion on entrepreneur visas and green cards?

    They are currently talking about it on CNBC. Should this be expanded exponentially?
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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Goldenboy219;1059784270]Did they put more of what people earn, back in their pocket? I would like you to answer this.
    Yep, just like a rebate check you get from an electronics store. Great, wasn't it? How long did it last?


    Based on what, gut feeling, so called street smarts, common sense?
    Actual results, suggest you consider them next time. Amazing how you can buy a chart about Household budget debt but not results from the stimulus spending

    3.8% of GDP. However the Reagan recession was manufactured by Paul Volker, as a means of reducing inflation expectations. Reagan did not inherit the worst financial crisis since 1929. There was not a 25% loss in household net worth, credit contraction (even though mortgages were expensive, people still were able to take them because their wages were being impacted upward due to the same inflation you site), mortgage meltdown, banking collapse, corporate bankruptcies whose assets were more than 10% of GDP, total shutdown of the commercial paper credit market, insolvency of the worlds largest insurance company, insolvency of Fannie and Freddie, 2 of the 3 largest U.S. auto manufactures collapse, a housing crisis that has left millions of homes vacant and millions of homeowners underwater on their mortgage, massive bank failures, more than 600,000 job losses per month, etc....
    The recession may have been manufactured in part by Volcker but the Carter economic policy made it worse. Doubt you were around during that period of time so all your information came from textbooks. Textbooks combined with street smarts makes you well rounded. With you I see the book smarts, but nothing dealing with street smarts dealing with human behavior.

    But hey, there was 10.8% unemployment and inflation of 11% in the 1980's. WOW. You might want to use your head for something other than hanging a hat.
    and mortgage rates at 17.5% with no bailouts and no two years of unemployment benefits for the unemployed. Homeowners were throwing the keys at the banks and the govt. wasn't there to bail them out like today. You really need to talk to someone who lived during that period of time and ask them how bad the economy was.


    Obama and his administration underestimated the size and magnitude of this financial crisis, much in the same way as you continue to do.
    Bull****, what they did is what liberals always do, try to get the govt. more involved in solving economic problems but what they did was bail out his constituent group. With Obama there are no consequences for failure and with you it is just reward poor economic stewardship not realizing that the private sector is what will bring us out of this mess. Private sector doesn't create public debt, govt. does.


    Charts and graphs? I used a basic macro model to illustrate why the stimulus package was too small. How on earth does talking to people and seeing how real people live give me insight into the adequacy of the ARRA? Please explain this.....
    Charts and graphs can be made to show whatever you want to show. What was the sample, what was the context, what was the criteria?


    You're resorting to semantics. The Obama administration made no reference to the U-6 unemployment rate, so it is irrelevant to consider given my previous statement.
    Until 1994 there was no such thing as discourged workers just like the current unemployment rate ignores them as well. That may make liberals and politicians feel better with 9.1% unemployment but tell that we have 9.1% unemployment to the 25 plus million unemployed, discouraged workers, and under employed.

    None the less, the federal debt as a % of GDP skyrocketed to 144%. That was the greatest generation, they paid their debts with blood and hard work. It was your generation, the pass the buck generation, that has created this disaster.
    War spending was required just like it is required during any war, that is when you go to war to win it. The greatest generation created people like you who don't have a clue as to how hard they worked but I assure you they weren't looking for a taxpayer funded bailout for failures.


    How have i displayed any of that given we are discussing the macro economy, fiscal stimulus, business cycle behavior, and political economy? What specifically have i said that shows i do not understand human behavior? You continue to make these accusations on a consistent basis, yet are never able to exhibit exactly what lead you to this conclusion. In reality, this is really just a defense mechanism you've created when you cannot keep up with the discussion. How do you prove street smarts on an internet discussion about U.S. job creation?
    charts and graphs never show human behavior and feelings which impact economic growth. Malaise and negativity was everywhere in the early 80's due to poor leadership. Reagan changed the tone and the attitude by unleashing incentive and empowering the entreprenuer. Instead of DOA programs he bypassed the Congress and went to the American people who forced their representatives to adopt the Reagan economic model. You don't understand what role attitude plays in economic growth. People who see opportunity will go after it. Giving something for nothing creates more dependence and destroys incentive.


    Ok then prove it. What exactly is fallacious and lacks common sense? You seem to want to discuss me and what you perceive me to know rather than the topic at hand. I make a statement, and you call me into question without even acknowledging that very statement.
    Simple logic and common sense show that people keeping more of what they earn need less govt. and provide more to charities than having the middleman take administrative costs and channelling that money to areas they want.


    The private sector has more liquidity, capital, and short term assets than they have ever had! EVER! In fact, there has never been this sort of short term assets and cash on corporate balance sheets during any time in history. They are sitting on $1.93 trillion in cash and short term assets!
    The private sector operates on a 5 year plan and doesn't print money. They aren't going to invest money with the uncertainties presented by this Administration and the potential increases in cost.

    I agree. But when nobody is willing to spend money, it is the role of government to step in and provide a necessary jolt to prevent a depression. Did the great depression teach you anything?
    Taught me a lot, personal responsibility and use more of my own income that I get to keep with tax cuts to pay off debt and then personally help others. I had great parents who taught me that there are consequences for poor choices.


    The Federal Reserve Bank and the Bureau of Economic Analysis.
    I prefer individual bank accounts, investment accounts, and savings.



    Exactly who was not measured?
    I don't know who was measured, I wasn't

    How is this relevant to the discussion? I was not making any judgement calls.
    Personal responsibility is always relevant. Liberals never accept the fact that people fail and that there are consequences for failure. Instead everyone is given total benefit of doubt and those that fail always do so due to circumstances beyond their control which is BS. Failure is a learning experience and until you let people fail you do nothing but create more dependence.

    This is a red herring argument (a fallacy Mr. Logic), and in no way addresses my last point. People are so indebted, they will spend little of their tax proceeds from a tax cut, which is why it is a suboptimal was to stimulate the economy. Does this model human behavior correctly? If you were in debt nearly 90%, and got some money back from a tax cut, would you go out and buy a new car, or pay down your debt? How about actually answering one my my many points instead of hitting the reply button before you make it past 5 sentences....
    What people do with their money is none of your business and you cannot interject your values into anyone else. Tax cuts mean more take home pay and reward taxpayers. Higher taxes reward the politicians that wasted our money. It is never used to pay down debt.

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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Old news, and something anyone discussing it should know. But sure, no problem:

    NEW YORK — As speakers at the GOP convention trumpet Bush administration successes in the war on terrorism, an NBC News analysis of Islamic terrorism since Sept. 11, 2001, shows that attacks are on the rise worldwide — dramatically.

    Terrorism deaths on increase - US news - Security - msnbc.com

    As nihilistic as it may be, al-Qaeda, from a business point of view, is a major success: three years after September 11, it is a global brand and a global movement. The Middle East, in this scenario, is just a regional base station. This global brand does not have much to do with Islam. But it has everything to do with the globalization of anti-imperialism. And the empire, whatever its definition, has its center in Washington. Bin Laden is laughing: Bush's crusade has legitimized an obscure sect as a worldwide symbol of political revolt. How could bin Laden not vote for Bush?

    Asia Times - Asia's most trusted news source for the Middle East

    In addition to rebuilding its organization and enhancing its capacity to attack the United States homeland, as Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell reported in the 2008 Annual Threat Assessment, al Qaeda also has significantly expanded its worldwide operational and ideological reach over the past few years. New terrorist organizations have emerged and many existing networks have gained renewed strength, from al Qaeda affiliates in North Africa and Southeast Asia to "homegrown" extremists operating in many parts of Europe and even in the United States. While these organizations often draw resources and inspiration from al Qaeda, they primarily operate independently, making them more difficult to identify and defeat

    The Bush-Republican Record of Failure in Combating Global Terrorism

    One of the many sad ironies of the Bush era that is rapidly and mercifully drawing to a close is that after the president created a �central front in the war on terror� by invading Iraq, the amount of �terrorism� in the world skyrocketed. I call it the Bush Bubble:

    The Raw Story | White House: Increase in terror attacks since 9/11 a success

    Wednesday, April 27, 2005

    The number of serious international terrorist incidents more than tripled last year, according to U.S. government figures, a sharp upswing in deadly attacks that the State Department has decided not to make public in its annual report on terrorism due to Congress this week.

    U.S. Figures Show Sharp Global Rise In Terrorism


    I do have to leave for a awhile, but any search would show you much more than I've listed.

    I said list actual attacks and details of each, not a bunch of hack pieces, one from MSNBC that blames global terrorism on Bush. Did you even read your own links? One of them speaks about deaths in Russia and Israel. I specified attacks against the US at home or overseas where Americans died and American interests were attacked. Every attack I listed specified Americans that died. You can't POSSIBLY be blaming an attack in Russia on Bush?

    No, on second though, you could. Only you could, but you could.

    So I remain correct, more attacks on Americans where Americans died occurred while Clinton was getting his dick sucked by Monica than while Bush was in office. The number of actual people dead was more under Bush only because they told people to stay inside the twin towers after the planes hit. Of course that's Bush's fault too, right?

    So in other words, NICE FAIL.
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    WTF, it's September and we're still arguing about August. Quick, someone start a new thread for September.
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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post

    I said list actual attacks and details of each, not a bunch of hack pieces, one from MSNBC that blames global terrorism on Bush. Did you even read your own links? One of them speaks about deaths in Russia and Israel. I specified attacks against the US at home or overseas where Americans died and American interests were attacked. Every attack I listed specified Americans that died. You can't POSSIBLY be blaming an attack in Russia on Bush?

    No, on second though, you could. Only you could, but you could.

    So I remain correct, more attacks on Americans where Americans died occurred while Clinton was getting his dick sucked by Monica than while Bush was in office. The number of actual people dead was more under Bush only because they told people to stay inside the twin towers after the planes hit. Of course that's Bush's fault too, right?

    So in other words, NICE FAIL.
    You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. On one hand you're saying more Americans died at the hands of terrorism while Clinton was president, but then you admit more died while Bush was president.

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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    I said list actual attacks and details of each, not a bunch of hack pieces, one from MSNBC that blames global terrorism on Bush. Did you even read your own links? One of them speaks about deaths in Russia and Israel. I specified attacks against the US at home or overseas where Americans died and American interests were attacked. Every attack I listed specified Americans that died. You can't POSSIBLY be blaming an attack in Russia on Bush?

    No, on second though, you could. Only you could, but you could.

    So I remain correct, more attacks on Americans where Americans died occurred while Clinton was getting his dick sucked by Monica than while Bush was in office. The number of actual people dead was more under Bush only because they told people to stay inside the twin towers after the planes hit. Of course that's Bush's fault too, right?

    So in other words, NICE FAIL.
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    Re: Employers add no net jobs in Aug.; rate unchanged

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    I said list actual attacks and details of each, not a bunch of hack pieces, one from MSNBC that blames global terrorism on Bush. Did you even read your own links? One of them speaks about deaths in Russia and Israel. I specified attacks against the US at home or overseas where Americans died and American interests were attacked. Every attack I listed specified Americans that died. You can't POSSIBLY be blaming an attack in Russia on Bush?

    No, on second though, you could. Only you could, but you could.

    So I remain correct, more attacks on Americans where Americans died occurred while Clinton was getting his dick sucked by Monica than while Bush was in office. The number of actual people dead was more under Bush only because they told people to stay inside the twin towers after the planes hit. Of course that's Bush's fault too, right?

    So in other words, NICE FAIL.
    Be serious jr. The links speak to the numbers. And they are from a variety of sources. You're just trying to find a way to ignore the facts. But you can do it by year:

    List of terrorist incidents, 2004 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    List of terrorist incidents, 2005 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    List of terrorist incidents, 2006 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    List of terrorist incidents, 2007 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    List of terrorist incidents, 2008 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    You can also search and read news stories on them individually:

    Major terrorist attacks since 9/11 | World news | guardian.co.uk

    Or search for some analysis:

    Nine years after the attacks of 9/11, how safe is America? - CSMonitor.com


    But, you can't honestly argue that terrorism has been quelled in any way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Yea, not to mention how many terrorist attacks did we, and our allies, suffer during the Clinton 8 years vs the Bush 8? That'll be a list you won't see a liberal post, but I'll be happy to post it. Let's compare:

    Clinton:
    1993
    Feb. 26, New York City: bomb exploded in basement garage of World Trade Center, killing 6 and injuring at least 1,040 others. In 1995, militant Islamist Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and 9 others were convicted of conspiracy charges, and in 1998, Ramzi Yousef, believed to have been the mastermind, was convicted of the bombing. Al-Qaeda involvement is suspected.
    1995
    April 19, Oklahoma City: car bomb exploded outside federal office building, collapsing wall and floors. 168 people were killed, including 19 children and 1 person who died in rescue effort. Over 220 buildings sustained damage. Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols later convicted in the antigovernment plot to avenge the Branch Davidian standoff in Waco, Tex., exactly 2 years earlier. (See Miscellaneous Disasters.)
    Nov. 13, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: car bomb exploded at U.S. military headquarters, killing 5 U.S. military servicemen.
    1996
    June 25, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia: truck bomb exploded outside Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds of others. 13 Saudis and a Lebanese, all alleged members of Islamic militant group Hezbollah, were indicted on charges relating to the attack in June 2001.
    1998
    Aug. 7, Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania: truck bombs exploded almost simultaneously near 2 U.S. embassies, killing 224 (213 in Kenya and 11 in Tanzania) and injuring about 4,500. 4 men connected with al-Qaeda 2 of whom had received training at al-Qaeda camps inside Afghanistan, were convicted of the killings in May 2001 and later sentenced to life in prison. A federal grand jury had indicted 22 men in connection with the attacks, including Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden, who remained at large.
    2000
    Oct. 12, Aden, Yemen: U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole heavily damaged when a small boat loaded with explosives blew up alongside it. 17 sailors killed. Linked to Osama bin Laden, or members of al-Qaeda terrorist network.

    Bush
    Sept 11

    Yep, considering that attack was 8 months into Bush's term and there was zero evidence pointing to a specific attack (meaning Bush couldn't do anything about it) I'd say we fared better under Bush.
    Interestingly enough, the list you provide seems to come from here:

    Terrorist Attacks in the U.S. or Against Americans

    Yet the list goes on into the Bush years, even though you didn't include them in your post:

    2001
    Sept. 11, New York City, Arlington, Va., and Shanksville, Pa.: hijackers crashed 2 commercial jets into twin towers of World Trade Center; 2 more hijacked jets were crashed into the Pentagon and a field in rural Pa. Total dead and missing numbered 2,9921: 2,749 in New York City, 184 at the Pentagon, 40 in Pa., and 19 hijackers. Islamic al-Qaeda terrorist group blamed. (See September 11, 2001: Timeline of Terrorism.)

    2002
    June 14, Karachi, Pakistan: bomb explodes outside American consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12. Linked to al-Qaeda.

    2003
    1 May 12, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: suicide bombers kill 34, including 8 Americans, at housing compounds for Westerners. Al-Qaeda suspected.

    2004
    May 2931, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: terrorists attack the offices of a Saudi oil company in Khobar, Saudi Arabia, take foreign oil workers hostage in a nearby residential compound, leaving 22 people dead including one American.

    June 1119, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: terrorists kidnap and execute Paul Johnson Jr., an American, in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. 2 other Americans and BBC cameraman killed by gun attacks. Dec. 6, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia: terrorists storm the U.S. consulate, killing 5 consulate employees. 4 terrorists were killed by Saudi security.

    2005
    Nov. 9, Amman, Jordan: suicide bombers hit 3 American hotels, Radisson, Grand Hyatt, and Days Inn, in Amman, Jordan, killing 57. Al-Qaeda claimed responsibility.

    2006
    Sept. 13, Damascus, Syria: an attack by four gunman on the American embassy is foiled.

    2007
    Jan. 12, Athens, Greece: the U.S. embassy is fired on by an anti-tank missile causing damage but no injuries.

    Dec. 11, Algeria: more than 60 people are killed, including 11 United Nations staff members, when Al Qaeda terrorists detonate two car bombs near Algeria's Constitutional Council and the United Nations offices.

    2008
    May 26, Iraq: a suicide bomber on a motorcycle kills six U.S. soldiers and wounds 18 others in Tarmiya.

    June 24, Iraq: a suicide bomber kills at least 20 people, including three U.S. Marines, at a meeting between sheiks and Americans in Karmah, a town west of Baghdad.

    June 12, Afghanistan: four American servicemen are killed when a roadside bomb explodes near a U.S. military vehicle in Farah Province.

    July 13, Afghanistan: nine U.S.soldiers and at least 15 NATO troops die when Taliban militants boldly attack an American base in Kunar Province, which borders Pakistan. It's the most deadly against U.S. troops in three years.

    Aug. 18 and 19, Afghanistan: as many as 15 suicide bombers backed by about 30 militants attack a U.S. military base, Camp Salerno, in Bamiyan. Fighting between U.S. troops and members of the Taliban rages overnight. No U.S. troops are killed.

    Sept. 16, Yemen: a car bomb and a rocket strike the U.S. embassy in Yemen as staff arrived to work, killing 16 people, including 4 civilians. At least 25 suspected al-Qaeda militants are arrested for the attack.

    Nov. 26, India: in a series of attacks on several of Mumbai's landmarks and commercial hubs that are popular with Americans and other foreign tourists, including at least two five-star hotels, a hospital, a train station, and a cinema. About 300 people are wounded and nearly 190 people die, including at least 5 Americans.

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    I done been ****in' had. I couldn't find a list and I googled the ****. **** google. The poor man's search engine.

    And Don, I don't do drive bys. I have no issues with stopping the car to shoot down any bull**** you post. Since most of the **** posted on this site isn't even worth a bullet, a drive by would be more than adequate.
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