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Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

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At the most, I think it's probably one of many "tactics" the DNC uses to stir up controversy, but it's not something I put much stock in. The GOP has it's own equivalent tactics. To me, that's just the nature of politics at this point. Both parties have their annoying tactics that they use to distract from more intellectual debate whenever their party is in trouble. If you read any "insider" accounts from political campaigns, you'll find this out. But I would hardly call those tactics "THE liberal tactic" or "THE conservative tactic" as j-mac was doing.
Well their you go, neither party has our interest in mind but they will take your money. The years I have seen this go on I have yet to see either party tell the truth completely. So you see those who claim to advocate our position, do so half ass but they will leave public office a much richer person, so again who do they represent.
 
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I don't think the Tea Party wants to lynch blacks or return to the Jim Crow era. Andre Carson is just plain wrong :shrug:

Still not fond of the Tea Party though.
 
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Same goes for you and all others who are quick to strike back at Liberals for calling out racial hatred within the opposing party. Why is it so hard to believe that there are members within the Tea Party movement who are racist especially when an independent entity outside the political mainstream has shown it to be true? I can accept that there very likely are some racist among Democrats in Congress, some of which might be Black, i.e., Rep. Maxine Waters may well be one of them. Or it could be she's just an outspoken advocate for equality within the African American community moreso within her district. Considering that most people on both sides of the political divide - Blacks and Whites - all agree with recent reporting that unemployment is highest among African Americans, can you blame her for seeking support for Black neighborhoods or Black businesses?

I've always been a firm believer that if one goes looking for racism behind every syllabol spoken by a person be he White or Black, we'll never be able to move past the very thing we all agree needs to die out in this country.
SHow me the money. You show me the racists...and I'll call em out. You are fabricating a bull**** argument based off a bull**** argument. You show me the racists. Show me the Tea Party folks that want to see blacks strapped to trees. Shouldnt be hard. Bring it.

Nah...you took idiotic race baiting ramblings equating cutting spending to lynchings and by gum Jim Crow and isntead of admitting it was a stupid position you do what you do..."yeah..but they are STILL racist!" SO...who?
 
1Perry,

We're just gonna have to agree to disagree. Atleast I can acknowledge that there is racism on both sides of the political divide. It's something we all need to work harder at getting beyond no matter who first brouches the issue of race in negative manner. If you're willing to call it out when next you see or hear of it but have an open and honest dialog on the matter, I'm very willing to dicuss the issue of racism in America on the merits. But for now, it just doesn't seem some folks are willing to do that. Instead, what we have are alot of denials, misdirection and deflections.

Rep. Carson's words were harsh and inflamatory, but what he said was truthful. There are members within the Tea Party movement and very likely members of the movement who are in Congress who harbor racist views and aren't afraid to voice them. We've seen the evidence since the movement first came into existence. For folks to deny that is just being dishonest.

This country has had a history or racism and violence due to racism, and much of that hatred has been directed at African Americans over the last two centuries. One could argue, however, that only the Native American Indian has experience more racism at the hands of the White man than any Black man can dare imagine. But the fact that Native Americans have been all but cast aside yet the Black man is here to stay says alot about our resilience. "The Man" ain't getting rid of us that easily. :mrgreen:

But in all seriousness, the only way we get past our racial bigotry/hatred is to talk about it honestly. Right now, I'm wondering if we'll ever be able to do that based on the outcome of this thread.

And with that, I'm out...until the next bout of racism rues its ugly head.
 
1Perry,

We're just gonna have to agree to disagree. Atleast I can acknowledge that there is racism on both sides of the political divide. It's something we all need to work harder at getting beyond no matter who first brouches the issue of race in negative manner. If you're willing to call it out when next you see or hear of it but have an open and honest dialog on the matter, I'm very willing to dicuss the issue of racism in America on the merits. But for now, it just doesn't seem some folks are willing to do that. Instead, what we have are alot of denials, misdirection and deflections.

Rep. Carson's words were harsh and inflamatory, but what he said was truthful. There are members within the Tea Party movement and very likely members of the movement who are in Congress who harbor racist views and aren't afraid to voice them. We've seen the evidence since the movement first came into existence. For folks to deny that is just being dishonest.

This country has had a history or racism and violence due to racism, and much of that hatred has been directed at African Americans over the last two centuries. One could argue, however, that only the Native American Indian has experience more racism at the hands of the White man than any Black man can dare imagine. But the fact that Native Americans have been all but cast aside yet the Black man is here to stay says alot about our resilience. "The Man" ain't getting rid of us that easily. :mrgreen:

But in all seriousness, the only way we get past our racial bigotry/hatred is to talk about it honestly. Right now, I'm wondering if we'll ever be able to do that based on the outcome of this thread.

And with that, I'm out...until the next bout of racism rues its ugly head.
Typical. Having to actual SHOW which congressman and the racist statements...well...thats a pretty tall order...so...guess its a good time to be done with the argument. Like I said. TYPICAL liberal argument. He made a bull**** statement...you defend it by saying it was ugly...but true. No word yet on those Tea Party politicians that want to see blacks lynched? Didnt think so. You people deserve each other.
 
Personally, I think nativism and xenophobia are terms that more aptly apply to some Tea Party members, and characterize the Tea Party more so than "racism," although I am not dismissing the probability of Tea Party members or supporters being racist.
 
Personally, I think nativism and xenophobia are terms that more aptly apply to some Tea Party members, and characterize the Tea Party more so than "racism," although I am not dismissing the probability of Tea Party members or supporters being racist.
I can't speak for everyone in the tea party but, it more about a lack of representation, abuse of power, taxes, out of control spending, and the constitution, the killing of the middle class.
 
Personally, I think nativism and xenophobia are terms that more aptly apply to some Tea Party members, and characterize the Tea Party more so than "racism," although I am not dismissing the probability of Tea Party members or supporters being racist.
And all you have to do to prove your point is state WHICH "Tea Party members" instead of using the blanket (hey...isnt blanket application of a term to a group called something? Like...bigotry....or something like that) 'Chartacterize the Tea Party' line. So...you too adopt the..."well...I dont think anyone actually wants to see blacks lynched....but...he's still right" approach.

Oh yeah...we are just ZOOMING along in this whole race relations thing.
 
Typical. Having to actual SHOW which congressman and the racist statements...well...thats a pretty tall order...so...guess its a good time to be done with the argument. Like I said. TYPICAL liberal argument. He made a bull**** statement...you defend it by saying it was ugly...but true. No word yet on those Tea Party politicians that want to see blacks lynched? Didnt think so. You people deserve each other.

Lamborn calls Obama a "tar baby" | lamborn, obama, rep - Colorado Springs Gazette, CO
 
1Perry,

We're just gonna have to agree to disagree. Atleast I can acknowledge that there is racism on both sides of the political divide. It's something we all need to work harder at getting beyond no matter who first brouches the issue of race in negative manner. If you're willing to call it out when next you see or hear of it but have an open and honest dialog on the matter, I'm very willing to dicuss the issue of racism in America on the merits. But for now, it just doesn't seem some folks are willing to do that. Instead, what we have are alot of denials, misdirection and deflections.

You have little standing in saying people should do what you refuse to do.
 
And all you have to do to prove your point is state WHICH "Tea Party members" instead of using the blanket (hey...isnt blanket application of a term to a group called something? Like...bigotry....or something like that) 'Chartacterize the Tea Party' line. So...you too adopt the..."well...I dont think anyone actually wants to see blacks lynched....but...he's still right" approach.

Oh yeah...we are just ZOOMING along in this whole race relations thing.

go back, read post#759.

Study reveals cultural characteristics of the Tea Party movement

I have a copy of the paper if you wish to read it...
 
Personally, I think nativism and xenophobia are terms that more aptly apply to some Tea Party members, and characterize the Tea Party more so than "racism," although I am not dismissing the probability of Tea Party members or supporters being racist.

And here I thought a few of us were going to agree that these blanket statements don't help anything.
 
You have little standing in saying people should do what you refuse to do.

So, what have I refused to do? Acknowledge that racism exists within the Congressional Black Caucus? As I stated from the very beginning, I've never followed the CBC. So, how can I call them out when I don't know that much about them? However, I have said that I'm sure racism exists within the Democrat party and some of those may be African Americans. So, where exactly did my credibility faulter?
 
Thats racist to you???

“I don’t even want to have to be associated with him. It’s like touching a tar baby, and you get it — you know, you’re stuck, and you’re part of the problem now, and you can’t get away,” Lamborn said. “I don’t want that to happen to us (Republicans), but if it does, or not, he’ll still get — properly so — the blame, because his policies, for four years, will have failed the American people.”

Please by all means cite when this went from being an apt descriptor of a no win situation where once you get in you are stuck and cant get out to "well...some people believe it is a racist comment." And please tell me what other positions Congressman Lamborn has taken that are racist. The floor is all yours.

Read more: Lamborn calls Obama a "tar baby" | lamborn, obama, rep - Colorado Springs Gazette, CO
 
And here I thought a few of us were going to agree that these blanket statements don't help anything.

I simply want to have an honest discussion. And I freely admit that generalizations are be thrown left and right in this case and can't be avoided. But my opinion stands, and I can back it up.
 
go back, read post#759.

Study reveals cultural characteristics of the Tea Party movement

I have a copy of the paper if you wish to read it...
Well...you know...black folks...there are so many of them in prison...so...you know what that says about black folks...

Good lord.

Oh...and BTW...I would LOVE to read the whole study...not just the abstract. Just like I would love to know if this group wasnt setting out to prove their assertion that Tea Party = racist.
 
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I fully understand the NAACP's problem there. Is an apology enough for a politician? It might be in some cases. Other cases, no. We couldn't even get that out of Carson.

I'm not sticking up for the CBC or the NAACP here. He should apologize.
 
Typical. Having to actual SHOW which congressman and the racist statements...well...thats a pretty tall order...so...guess its a good time to be done with the argument. Like I said. TYPICAL liberal argument. He made a bull**** statement...you defend it by saying it was ugly...but true. No word yet on those Tea Party politicians that want to see blacks lynched? Didnt think so. You people deserve each other.

My defense here was only to show exactly what Rep. Carson said, not to prove which Tea Party congressman/woman his accusation was directed at. You want to know exactly who the man was speaking about, you'll need to ask him.
 
The study is flawed. It started with a conclusion and worked to prove that conclusion...That is junk.

BTW, do you dismiss the fact that liberal operatives were dispatched into Tea Party events with racist signs to harm the movement, and smear them unfairly?

j-mac

I haven't seen evidence of such, but if you can find such evidence then I'm willing to be completely honest that it exists.
 
My defense here was only to show exactly what Rep. Carson said, not to prove which Tea Party congressman/woman his accusation was directed at. You want to know exactly who the man was speaking about, you'll need to ask him.


Is that not what liberals constantly ask of conservatives when these types of generalizations are made? Name names? Now when the shoe is on the other foot it pinches a little.

j-mac
 
So, what have I refused to do? Acknowledge that racism exists within the Congressional Black Caucus? As I stated from the very beginning, I've never followed the CBC. So, how can I call them out when I don't know that much about them? However, I have said that I'm sure racism exists within the Democrat party and some of those may be African Americans. So, where exactly did my credibility faulter?

Trying to defend Carson's statement. One only needs to know one thing about the CBC. They only let you join if you are the correct color. White? no. Hispanic? No. Asian? No.

Do you feel groups that only allow membership based upon color should be a part of our government?
 
I'm not sticking up for the CBC or the NAACP here. He should apologize.

We could have saved a ton of posting if that had been your position from the beginning.
 
Well...you know...black folks...there are so many of them in prison...so...you know what that says about black folks...

Good lord.

Oh...and BTW...I would LOVE to read the whole study...not just the abstract. Just like I would love to know if this group wasnt setting out to prove their assertion that Tea Party = racist.

well, now you're just being obtuse. And as I pointed out before, there's a distinction between nativism and racism. And it doesn't take a genius to that nativism and xenophobia still exist in large segments of America. FFS it exhibits itself right here on this forum.
 
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