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Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

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There are hair care products specifically marketed for African Americans. Should companies which make these products be forced to hire blond Swedish sales reps to greet the black customers coming into the store in order to buy these products?
 
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RiverDad said:
There are hair care products specifically marketed for African Americans. Should companies which make these products be forced to hire blond Swedish sales reps to greet the black customers coming into the store in order to buy these products?
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You're just being silly now...
 
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RiverDad said:
They did put people into backroom operations when the people didn't meet the company's "Look Policy."

The company was using its employees as advertisments of its brand image. Who here finds Chinese Food products marketed by bearded red-headed Scottish lads wearing kilts to be effective brand management for Chinese Food Products? How about advertising for feminine hygiene products pitched by men?
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C'mon. Nobody ever saw the vast majority of their employee's.
 
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RiverDad said:
There are hair care products specifically marketed for African Americans. Should companies which make these products be forced to hire blond Swedish sales reps to greet the black customers coming into the store in order to buy these products?
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The problem wasn't relegated to just marketing sales people. It also doesn't address the silly notion that upper crust blacks wouldn't go for the same thing as upper crust whites.
 
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teamosil said:
You're just being silly now...
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What do you mean....... "now"?
 
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teamosil said:
You're just being silly now...
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The A&F court case is an abortion of justice. The courts have removed from A&F the ability to determine their own marketing image. The company specifically wanted to target a wealthy white clientele - it set out to create a specific image. It didn't want to target minority demographics.


Here is what the consent decree mandates:


Specifically, Abercrombie's media and advertising campaign in principle was to include and reflect a diverse population. However, attorneys at Lieff Cabraser failed to delineate the specific circumstances under which circumstances or what specific benchmarks were to be achieved to reflect diversity in Abercrombie's media and advertising campaigns.​


The court is TELLING the company that they have to become another version of Benetton.

Benetton chose to market itself on the whole diversity is beautiful gimmick. A&F decided to target a different market segment.

This is EXACTLY like ordering Chinese food restaurants to hire bearded red-headed Scotmans wearing kilts for positions of waiter.
 
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1Perry said:
The problem wasn't relegated to just marketing sales people. It also doesn't address the silly notion that upper crust blacks wouldn't go for the same thing as upper crust whites.
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The company didn't want to target that market. What is it that you don't understand about that. They didn't do anything illegal like refuse to sell their products to black people. Companies should have the freedom to determine their own brand image and how they market themselves into the consumer marketplace.

Diversity all the freaking time is Orwellian.
 
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RiverDad said:
The company didn't want to target that market. What is it that you don't understand about that.
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The only part I don't understand is that it's the same market in many cases.
 
MrVicchio said:
Isn't about time we moved past such vile, angry bull****?

Oh wait, I can't say that about the esteemed Rep. Carson, to criticize him, since I am a white male and tea partier, is racist.

Just reading that filthy dung heaps rant makes my stomach churn in disgust.
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The cry of Racism is a tactic right out of the Rules For Radicals. You make a claim and stick to it no matter what you never back down the the rest of you group, (in this case Party) will back you, and if you say often enough and load enough people will eventually start believing it.

It's also a tactic Hitler used.

The Liberals a scared to death of the tea party which BTW has members that are Black, Hispanic, Asian, as well as elderly white people, but the ages range from the 20s to the the 80s.

I would like to add that Maxine Waters can go straight to HELL, what a total waste space this sorry worthless "person?" she is.
 
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1Perry said:
That was a failed attempt on his part to admit he was wrong. He couldn't say it so he has to try and make up more crap. Not a single actual position to back up his accusations. No, it was just the ramblings of a bigot.
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So, when I post that Rush Limbaugh is a bigot because he masks his commentary in much the same way, i.e., discussing the introduction of an Oreo "Double Chocolate cookie" and equating it to the President as an "Oreo" and somehow finding a way to wrap the First Lady into his discussion, that's not racist; it's just him discussing the introduction of a commercial food by a major fastfood chain, right? Sometimes, it's the subtle things that make a comment or action racist by its very nature. (And before folks start coming down on me, I did say the I've made the "Oreo" jokes among friends and family myself before. I just didn't see the need to extrapolate such commentary toward the President of the United States and his wife because it was abit outlandish and bigotted the way Rush went out of his way to make the corrollation.)

All that was provided was a picture of someone comparing Obama with a monkey which was done with Bush hundreds of times.
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As the saying goes, "Two wrongs don't make a right." But I would argue that Black people have had to live with the stigma of being called "monkeys" or resembling "apes" for a very long time...goes back beyond the slave trade. I'd say we as a People have more to be offended about when White people make such accusations than any White person could ever possibly imagine. There's just no defense for that type of behavior...NONE! And who, might I ask have been holding up such signs? Go back and look at the pictures. Where the perpetrators Black or White? Of course, some would say those who did it to GW Bush were White, too. But as I said herein, "there's no defense for that type of behavior".

He's correct but it was wrong because you feel there were racist undertones to it? It was either correct or not. If it was correct it was simply factual.
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If you're going to attack me can you atleast go by what I said?

Walsh believed people voted for President Obama just because he was Black, Walsh replied "because it was a historical moment in this nation's history". (You can watch the video exchange here.) Although Rep. Walsh's answer was correct, it gives the impression that that's the only reason some people voted for the nation's 44th President - because he was Black. However, it does bring into question why Rep. Walsh is so upset with Pres. Obama. He says that it's a matter of the President's "failed policies", but when you listen to him in the video he gives far more respect to Congress assembling on behalf of foreign heads of state than he does his nation's president. This tells me there's more going on here than just a person being upset over policy matters.
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Not once did I say Rep. Walsh was wrong. People have stated publically that the only reason they voted for Obama was because he was a Black man and they wanted to see history in the making. I do not dispute this as fact. However, I do believe those people fail to look at the man's body of work over the years or take into account the President's policies in light of historical events over the course of the last 30-40 years. Nor do many people try to see the "long-range view" of what he's trying to do. But history will bare these things out over time.

I'm also curious, why is the CBC never called out for their outright racism?
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Perhaps the media doesn't consider it new worthy. Go ask CNN, HLN, ABC, NBC, CBS and other national news outlets. I know FoxNews will carry any news story on the NAACP if it believes they can connect racism with the organization. Problem here is, sometimes they don't quite get the facts right which brings FoxNews' credibility into question at times where race relations are concerned. But again, you'll have to ask those news agencies why they haven't covered events coming out of the Congressional Black Caucus more often. What exactly do you believe the CBC or the NAACP are doing wrong?
 
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teamosil said:
Government represents the interests of the people, but can be inefficient.
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Government can only represent the interests of the people when it is controlled by the people. As it stands now, which federal government anywhere do you feel is controlled by the people? And governments can be inefficient? Like spending twice as much money as they take in with no hope of ever paying it back? Where is there efficient government that you can point to?

Just ceding control of the world to corporations as right wingers push for would obviously be a total disaster.
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Tell me frankly, please. Do you just make this stuff up as you go along or is there some evidence somewhere that this is an actual fact? if it is a fact could you please point out the source of your information?
 
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theplaydrive said:
People will continue to talk about and debate race and racism so long as they remain relevant to experiences of many Americans. Attempts by conservatives to sweep the issue under the rug by accusing those who bring it up of "pulling the race card" and similar arguments will not stop the discussion from happening. In fact, it is those attempts that make conversations about race and racism more frequent and intense than they have to be. There's nothing like covering one's ears to a reality that one doesn't want to face that inspires people to shout louder.

Discussions about racism can and do coexist with discussions about policy. From what I know, most liberals understand this. It seems to be conservatives who think it must be one or other as they are the ones who accuse liberals of using race to divert from policy discussions when the hundreds of threads on policy w/o any mention of race are proof enough that that assertion is a myth.
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Which candidate in the last US Presidential election was the first to play "the race card"??

Hint: It was a Democrat and he eventually won the Presidential election.
 
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Grant said:
Which candidate in the last US Presidential election was the first to play "the race card"??

Hint: It was a Democrat and he eventually won the Presidential election.
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Demonstrate exactly how Obama played the race card.
 
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from Riverdad

This is EXACTLY like ordering Chinese food restaurants to hire bearded red-headed Scotmans wearing kilts for positions of waiter.
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Not quite.

"This is this - this isn't something else - this is this".
Robert DeNiro THE DEERHUNTER
 
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Objective Voice said:
Rep. Andre Carson DID NOT call the entire Tea Party movement racist.
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Really. Which ones did he omit? Are you actually going to the 'clarification' to quote what he said??
 
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Jetboogieman said:
Demonstrate exactly how Obama played the race card.
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Screw your condescension. Obama used it to win, the elections
 
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Objective Voice said:
So, when I post that Rush Limbaugh is a bigot because he masks his commentary in much the same way, i.e., discussing the introduction of an Oreo "Double Chocolate cookie" and equating it to the President as an "Oreo" and somehow finding a way to wrap the First Lady into his discussion, that's not racist; it's just him discussing the introduction of a commercial food by a major fastfood chain, right? Sometimes, it's the subtle things that make a comment or action racist by its very nature. (And before folks start coming down on me, I did say the I've made the "Oreo" jokes among friends and family myself before. I just didn't see the need to extrapolate such commentary toward the President of the United States and his wife because it was abit outlandish and bigotted the way Rush went out of his way to make the corrollation.)
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Sorry, I'd need to see the statement.


As the saying goes, "Two wrongs don't make a right." But I would argue that Black people have had to live with the stigma of being called "monkeys" or resembling "apes" for a very long time...goes back beyond the slave trade. I'd say we as a People have more to be offended about when White people make such accusations than any White person could ever possibly imagine. There's just no defense for that type of behavior...NONE! And who, might I ask have been holding up such signs? Go back and look at the pictures. Where the perpetrators Black or White? Of course, some would say those who did it to GW Bush were White, too. But as I said herein, "there's no defense for that type of behavior".
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This is the problem I have. If it's wrong it's wrong. It's not more wrong because the color of someone's skin as that is saying that there is a difference between people. If we are ever to get past racism we must get past the color differences. It's also wrong to try and lump an entire group of people because of the actions of a few. There were many portrayals of Bush as Hitler and even though there was many, it was a very small number of people who did it. Should I condemn the entire left because of the actions of these few?


If you're going to attack me can you atleast go by what I said?
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That's what I took you saying.....I'll read on.


Not once did I say Rep. Walsh was wrong. People have stated publically that the only reason they voted for Obama was because he was a Black man and they wanted to see history in the making. I do not dispute this as fact. However, I do believe those people fail to look at the man's body of work over the years or take into account the President's policies in light of historical events over the course of the last 30-40 years. Nor do many people try to see the "long-range view" of what he's trying to do. But history will bare these things out over time.
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I do not believe a "white" Obama would get elected. His resume was incredibly thin. This was the slam (with some justification) about Palin. Hillary was far and away more prepared to be president IMO. IMO it's what killed Edwards presidential goals (before we knew how sleazy he was). People looked at his accomplishments which were at best about the same as Obama's and people dismissed him as a valid choice.


Perhaps the media doesn't consider it new worthy. Go ask CNN, HLN, ABC, NBC, CBS and other national news outlets. I know FoxNews will carry any news story on the NAACP if it believes they can connect racism with the organization. Problem here is, sometimes they don't quite get the facts right which brings FoxNews' credibility into question at times where race relations are concerned. But again, you'll have to ask those news agencies why they haven't covered events coming out of the Congressional Black Caucus more often. What exactly do you believe the CBC or the NAACP are doing wrong?
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First off we'll get this out of the way.....I never lumped the NAACP in with the CBC. I may have some problems with them but they are not the outright racist organization the CBC is. People of other races can be members of the NAACP. You have to be of the correct race to be a member of the CBC. That is the very de finition of racism.

I can't take seriously anyones complaints on racism that will then defend this sort of outright racism. They IMO only care about politics, not race relations.
 
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Grant,

teamosil makes a very important point. Consider what we're seeing overseas in Muslim held countries - Iraq, Iran, Egypt, Lybia and Syria. All of these countries have concentrated wealth and power within their respective governments. Now, consider the facts here in the U.S.

- 1% of the population pays the bulk of taxes.
- %5 of the population controls the greastest wealth.
- 245 members of Congress are millionairs.
- atleast 6 of our last 9 Presidents, including Pres. Obama, were millionaires (Both Bush's, Reagon, Clinton, Carter and JFK)

The only thing that makes things different between the Middle-Eastern countries I've mentioned above and the USA is our process of government; we, the People, get to change the face of Congress and the White House every 2, 4 and 6 years, respectively. But if you really look at the makeup of Congress, as well as the GOP field of presidential hopefuls, how many of those individuals truly walk among "the common man"? Think about it...

And while you're at it, ask yourself what caused our economic woes? Was it just a matter of people acting irresponsibly taking on more debt than they could afford or was it the irresponsible acts of our wealthiest financial institutions taking enormous risks - sometimes as much as 32:1 - with your money only to be handed more of your money then not do anything for you to eleaviate the unemployment burden our country now faces?

teamosil is more accurate than you may think.

A few refer sources to consider:

"Bad Money," by Kevin Phillips
"Too Big to Fail," by Andrew Ross Sorkin

Both books will open your eyes to the true corruption in politics and in corporate America and tell you where the real concentration of power is in this country and has been for over 30 years.
 
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ric27 said:
Screw your condescension. Obama used it to win, the elections
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So you can't actually show me an instance he played the race card?
 
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Jetboogieman said:
So you can't actually show me an instance he played the race card?
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The news and the hype was zero emphasis on what he will do that is good for the country and 100% on his skin color.
 
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Grant said:
Which candidate in the last US Presidential election was the first to play "the race card"??

Hint: It was a Democrat and he eventually won the Presidential election.
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I love it when the righties whine about "the race card". Slavery gave us the race card. Jim Crow gave us the race card. The Klan gave us the race card. Wallace and Barnett and the rest of the racist crew gave us the race card. Lynchings, burnings, castrations and little girls getting blown up in church gave us the race card.

And now the right winces when it is used. I call that poetic justice.
 
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Grant said:
Really. Which ones did he omit? Are you actually going to the 'clarification' to quote what he said??
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I linked to the video on MSNBC.com. Go watch and find out for yourself what exactly was said. When you do, come back here and post it so we'll all know you're not just ignoring facts but rather you're truly engaging in the discussion.
 
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ric27 said:
The news and the hype was zero emphasis on what he will do that is good for the country and 100% on his skin color.
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I'll ask the question again.

Please demonstrate how he played the race card?
 
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