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Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

MrVicchio said:
Isn't about time we moved past such vile, angry bull****?

Oh wait, I can't say that about the esteemed Rep. Carson, to criticize him, since I am a white male and tea partier, is racist.

Just reading that filthy dung heaps rant makes my stomach churn in disgust.
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Liberals accusing republicans of being racist without any actual evidence is about as surprising as a fat man who loves to eat but hates exercising. There might be a handful of republicans that are racist just like there is a handful of democrats that are racist, it however does not mean all republicans are racist or all democrats are racist. I do find it funny that there is a black caucus in what was once the party of the KKK and slavery.
 
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Wake said:
Is Carson's constituents and the Tea Partiers "everyone"? Perhaps you made a mistake?
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No, I didn't make a mistake. Nothing Carson said is driving anyone apart. Everybody's already apart because everybody already had their beliefs before Carson made his statement.
 
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theplaydrive said:
No, I didn't make a mistake. Nothing Carson said is driving anyone apart. Everybody's already apart because everybody already had their beliefs before Carson made his statement.
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You're implying that everybody is already apart. That's simply not true.
 
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Tucker Case said:
I'd like to point out that I was one of the loudest people decrying the violent rhetoric. I also recognize that this is simply another example of such scumbaggery.
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I think the "violent rhetoric" bit was overblown, but I give you credit for one of the few people who has been consistent with situations such as this.
 
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theplaydrive said:
No, I didn't make a mistake. Nothing Carson said is driving anyone apart. Everybody's already apart because everybody already had their beliefs before Carson made his statement.
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Furthermore, racemongers really do drive people apart.
 
jamesrage said:
I do find it funny that there is a black caucus in what was once the party of the KKK and slavery.
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Conservatives need to stop making this mistake. The constituents of the racist Democratic Party with the KKK and slavery have now become the constituents of the Republican Party over several voter shifts starting with FDR and ending with those in the Civil Rights Movements.
 
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Wake said:
Furthermore, racemongers really do drive people apart.
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I disagree completely. I don't know anyone whose been "driven apart" by "race mongering". You either believe what they say or you don't. It doesn't really change people's positions.
 
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Wake said:
You're implying that everybody is already apart. That's simply not true.
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No, it is true. If you have a belief, you're by definition apart from people of opposite beliefs.
 
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haymarket said:
Are you oblivious to the obvious racist signs and shirts at tea party events which have been reproduced on this site and others?
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How could any member be? You (and Hat) post them most days. We are all well aware of what you consider racist signs and shirts. If someone wore a shirt, or made a sig, "Yup, I'm a racist... because haymarket says so"... you would claim it was undeniable proof that the person is, in fact, a racist and is using you and us gullible idiots to get away with saying it in public. The rest of us would laugh. There's a thread that proves this, however ridiculous that might appear.



justabubba said:
and you have still not told us why that congressman's observations should be found wrong
therefor, i can only conclude that has statement is valid
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Is that honestly how your brain works. A given statement is true until proven otherwise? Frightening.
 
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theplaydrive said:
I disagree completely. I don't know anyone whose been "driven apart" by "race mongering". You either believe what they say or you don't. It doesn't really change people's positions.
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So you really do subscribe to the belief that racemongers don't drive people apart? Should I suppose you think the same of hatemongers?

theplaydrive said:
No, it is true. If you have a belief, you're by definition apart from people of opposite beliefs.
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You're saying that everybody is already apart. Everybody means every single person. Ergo, you're saying that every single person has a belief apart from anyone else? When you say everybody, it means that there can't be any two people that have the same beliefs. You said everybody is apart, thus you say that every single person within "everybody" is "apart".
 
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haymarket said:
Now it is you who are lying. I googled "racist tea party signs" and came up with bunches and bunches of stuff. If you hit IMAGES you can see all kinds of really racist material with Obama as a tribal witch doctor with a bone through his nose, signs using the N word, signs and shirts proudly proclaiming they are racists, Obama in a pimp outfit, lots of references to Africa, and lots of things.

Are my eyes seeing things?
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No, you fail to understand the meaning of the word racism. You also fail to understand the meaning of the words irony and sarcasm. But that shouldn't surprise me I suppose... :roll:

Of the first 4 pages of the results, there is one racist sign and the inbred piece of trash can't even spell the word 'nigger' correctly. You see, the overwhelming majority (and I'm talking at least 95%) of Tea Partiers aren't racists. We don't like Obama because of his skin color (he is half-white after all), we don't like him because of his ideology, his stances on nearly every issue and his policies. We'd dislike Hillary Clinton every bit as much as Obama if not more.

How about taking a look at these and get back to me on how racist the Tea Party is as a whole:



 
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Wake said:
So you really do subscribe to the belief that racemongers don't drive people apart? Should I suppose you think the same of hatemongers?
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I don't know anyone who's ever been "driven apart" by "race mongers" in this country. Like I said, you either believe what you say or they don't. Do you honestly believe that what Carson said really drove people further apart?

You're saying that everybody is already apart. Everybody means every single person. Ergo, you're saying that every single person has a belief apart from anyone else? When you say everybody, it means that there can't be any two people that have the same beliefs. You said everybody is apart, thus you say that every single person within "everybody" is "apart".
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Every single person is, in fact, apart from other people if said person has beliefs. You're really interpreting my comment in a strange and, I think, purposely obtuse, manner. I don't recall saying that no two people can have the same beliefs. If you wanted me to clarify you should have asked.
 
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Wake is correct, obviously, and his reference to hatemongering makes it clear. playdrive is writing nonsense. What's next? We dispute that it is the people who are being divisive and we should not blame mongering? Enough.
 
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Hugh_Akston said:
You see, the overwhelming majority (and I'm talking at least 95%) of Tea Partiers aren't racists.
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I seriously doubt there is any organization in America that has a 95% rate of non-racists, Hugh. (For the record, I'm using using the second definition of racist found here: Racism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary instead of the strictest definition, which would be th efirst one found there. Both are real and valid definitions of the word, though).
 
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theplaydrive said:
I don't know anyone who's ever been "driven apart" by "race mongers" in this country. Like I said, you either believe what you say or they don't. Do you honestly believe that what Carson said really drove people further apart?

You don't think that racemongering and, I presume, hatemongering, doesn't drive people apart? How about the young kid who has a friend of the other color? Once the kid becomes older and repeatedly hears such race/hatemongering, you don't think that could sway the two friends to become "apart"? Do you also not think race/hatemongering can further tear communities and people apart?

Every single person is, in fact, apart from other people if said person has beliefs. You're really interpreting my comment in a strange and, I think, purposely obtuse, manner. I don't recall saying that no two people can have the same beliefs. If you wanted me to clarify you should have asked.
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You saying that everybody is apart directly clashes with your statement that there are groups of people who have like beliefs.
 
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ecofarm said:
Wake is correct, obviously, and his reference to hatemongering makes it clear. playdrive is writing nonsense.
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Thank you El Shaddai for solving this debate.
 
MrVicchio said:
Isn't about time we moved past such vile, angry bull****?

Oh wait, I can't say that about the esteemed Rep. Carson, to criticize him, since I am a white male and tea partier, is racist.

Just reading that filthy dung heaps rant makes my stomach churn in disgust.
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Isn't this the same dude that said he was called nigger, and spat on walking into congress to vote on Obamacare?

Yeah this dude has tons of credibility... NOT!


Tim-
 
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theplaydrive said:
Thank you El Shaddai for solving this debate.
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In essence, if you're going to use that "sword" to nit-pick and accuse people like you did to me in that illegal immigration thread, you can expect to be stabbed with it, as well. People make mistakes. No need to needle them on it.
 
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Wake said:
You saying that everybody is apart directly clashes with your statement that there are groups of people who have like beliefs.
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No, that's you're ridiculous interpretation of my comment. I'm starting to get the feeling that you're just trying to pick at my words as retaliation for being pissed that me and TC called out your dishonesty in the other thread. Childish.

Like I said, EVERYBODY is apart because everybody has beliefs. I'm sorry that you need to interpret things dishonestly in order to make your point. If you want to actually debate with me, try doing it with my actual argument because now you're just debating one that I never made.
 
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Tucker Case said:
I seriously doubt there is any organization in America that has a 95% rate of non-racists, Hugh. (For the record, I'm using using the second definition of racist found here: Racism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary instead of the strictest definition, which would be th efirst one found there. Both are real and valid definitions of the word, though).
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I disagree - KKK, NAACP, Black Panthers, etc...

The Tea Party is not an organization, it's more of a movement. Sure, there are Tea Party groups who have formed, and one of the biggest kicked it's leader out for making racist statements.
 
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Playdrive is claiming that hatemongering is not divisive.
 
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Wake said:
In essence, if you're going to use that "sword" to nit-pick and accuse people like you did to me in that illegal immigration thread, you can expect to be stabbed with it, as well. People make mistakes. No need to needle them on it.
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I was right, you are butthurt that me and TC called out your dishonesty in ANOTHER thread. The problem though Wake is that TC asked you to clarify your definition, you never asked me to clarify, you just purposely misinterpreted my comment in order to fail at making a point. Congratulations, I now have just as big of a problem with you as 90% of this board.
 
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Moderator's Warning:
Stick to the topic and stop making it personal. Further personal attacks will be dealt with.
 
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theplaydrive said:
No, that's you're ridiculous interpretation of my comment. I'm starting to get the feeling that you're just trying to pick at my words as retaliation for being pissed that me and TC called out your dishonesty in the other thread. Childish.

Like I said, EVERYBODY is apart because everybody has beliefs. I'm sorry that you need to interpret things dishonestly in order to make your point. If you want to actually debate with me, try doing it with my actual argument because now you're just debating one that I never made.
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You said that racemongering doesn't divide people. That's your mistake. Own it.

You also said everyone is apart, even though there are many groups of people who share the same beliefs.

I want to understand your claims.
 
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ecofarm said:
Playdrive is claiming that hatemongering is not divisive.
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So did Carson's statement divide any groups that you know of? Because where I'm standing, everybody is still the same as they were yesterday.
 
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