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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Then provide that evidence or stfu. I provided evidence of liberal progressives infiltraiting events to intentionally smear tea party members. I guess you ignore that.


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    Ooo, that tough talk is so intimidating.

    Here you go, Ace:

    "Beginning in 2006 we interviewed a representative sample of 3,000 Americans as part of our continuing research into national political attitudes, and we returned to interview many of the same people again this summer. As a result, we can look at what people told us, long before there was a Tea Party, to predict who would become a Tea Party supporter five years later. We can also account for multiple influences simultaneously — isolating the impact of one factor while holding others constant.

    Our analysis casts doubt on the Tea Party’s “origin story.” Early on, Tea Partiers were often described as nonpartisan political neophytes. Actually, the Tea Party’s supporters today were highly partisan Republicans long before the Tea Party was born, and were more likely than others to have contacted government officials. In fact, past Republican affiliation is the single strongest predictor of Tea Party support today.

    What’s more, contrary to some accounts, the Tea Party is not a creature of the Great Recession. Many Americans have suffered in the last four years, but they are no more likely than anyone else to support the Tea Party. And while the public image of the Tea Party focuses on a desire to shrink government, concern over big government is hardly the only or even the most important predictor of Tea Party support among voters.

    So what do Tea Partiers have in common? They are overwhelmingly white, but even compared to other white Republicans, they had a low regard for immigrants and blacks long before Barack Obama was president, and they still do.

    More important, they were disproportionately social conservatives in 2006 — opposing abortion, for example — and still are today. Next to being a Republican, the strongest predictor of being a Tea Party supporter today was a desire, back in 2006, to see religion play a prominent role in politics. And Tea Partiers continue to hold these views: they seek “deeply religious” elected officials, approve of religious leaders’ engaging in politics and want religion brought into political debates. The Tea Party’s generals may say their overriding concern is a smaller government, but not their rank and file, who are more concerned about putting God in government.

    This inclination among the Tea Party faithful to mix religion and politics explains their support for Representative Michele Bachmann of Minnesota and Gov. Rick Perry of Texas. Their appeal to Tea Partiers lies less in what they say about the budget or taxes, and more in their overt use of religious language and imagery, including Mrs. Bachmann’s lengthy prayers at campaign stops and Mr. Perry’s prayer rally in Houston.

    Yet it is precisely this infusion of religion into politics that most Americans increasingly oppose. While over the last five years Americans have become slightly more conservative economically, they have swung even further in opposition to mingling religion and politics. It thus makes sense that the Tea Party ranks alongside the Christian Right in unpopularity."

    » Academic Study Confirms Tea Party Dominated By Far Right Xenophobic And Racist Theocrats Liberal Values

    Additional evidence:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/17/op...arty.html?_r=2

    https://www.irehr.org/issue-areas/te...al-origins-act

    And some charming vignettes:

    "•Civil rights hero Rep. John Lewis was taunted by tea partiers who chanted "nigger" at least 15 times, according to the Associated Press (we are not cleaning up language and using "the N-word" here because it's really important to understand what was said.) First reported on The Hill blog (no hotbed of left-wing fervor), the stories of Lewis being called "nigger" were confirmed by Lewis spokeswoman Brenda Jones and Democratic Rep. Andre Carson, who was walking with Lewis. "It was like going into the time machine with John Lewis," said Carson, a former police officer. "He said it reminded him of another time."
    •Another Congressional Black Caucus leader, Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, was spat upon by protesters. The culprit was arrested, but Cleaver declined to press charges.
    •House Majority Whip James Clybourn told reporters: "I heard people saying things today that I have not heard since March 15, 1960, when I was marching to try to get off the back of the bus."
    •There were many reports that Rep. Barney Frank was called a "faggot" by protesters, but the one I saw personally was by CNN's Dana Bash, who seemed rattled by the tea party fury. Frank told AP: "It's a mob mentality that doesn't work politically."
    •Meanwhile, a brick came through the window at Rep. Louise Slaughter's Niagara Falls office on Saturday (the day she argued for her "Slaughter solution" to pass health care reform, though it was rejected by other Democrats on the House Rules Committee)"

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    The Tea Party is the natural inheritor of the Confederate legacy.
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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    he stated that he is aware of tea party members of congress who want to see black people hanging from trees. now, whether or not there are tea partiers in congress who want to see black people hanging from trees is a rather binary question; either they do, or they do not. We might as well run with the assumption that all democrats in congress secretly want to rape children as adopt the standard for Tea Partiers that you are suggesting.
    Maybe they do. Like I said, no one knows that thoughts of other people although I think racism is a lot more common than pedophilia, so it would more probable that Democrats also want to see black people hanging from trees. I'm not going to defend him and I'm not going to call him a liar. I don't support his comments (or hate them either really - I could really care less) and I don't know if he is a liar - neither do you.
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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    There are no false charges here. What he said is totally uncalled for out of a member of Congress.
    But this has nothing to do with whether he is correct or not. Every single member of Congress could be a racist, you don't know their thoughts and they might not even know their own biases, so to demand, as cpwill and other have done, that people get behind them and denouce his "false charges" is silly, at best.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    What actions would those be?
    I don't know, any actions.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    So...for the record...liberals lose their ****ing minds when someone uses a vague term like "tar baby", but...meh...Im sure it was only just mild rheotic when he accused Tea Party republicans of wanting to lych blacks and see folks hanging fromt he trees. Certainly nothing to get spun up out.
    I didn't lose my mind over "tar baby" and I don't know any other liberal that did. Generalizations again, I see.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Ooo, that tough talk is so intimidating.

    Here you go, Ace:

    "Beginning in 2006 we interviewed a representative sample of 3,000 Americans as part of our continuing research into national political attitudes, and we returned to interview many of the same people again this summer. As a result, we can look at what people told us, long before there was a Tea Party, to predict who would become a Tea Party supporter five years later. We can also account for multiple influences simultaneously — isolating the impact of one factor while holding others constant.

    Our analysis casts doubt on the Tea Party’s “origin story.” Early on, Tea Partiers were often described as nonpartisan political neophytes. Actually, the Tea Party’s supporters today were highly partisan Republicans long before the Tea Party was born, and were more likely than others to have contacted government officials. In fact, past Republican affiliation is the single strongest predictor of Tea Party support today.

    What’s more, contrary to some accounts, the Tea Party is not a creature of the Great Recession. Many Americans have suffered in the last four years, but they are no more likely than anyone else to support the Tea Party. And while the public image of the Tea Party focuses on a desire to shrink government, concern over big government is hardly the only or even the most important predictor of Tea Party support among voters.

    So what do Tea Partiers have in common? They are overwhelmingly white, but even compared to other white Republicans, they had a low regard for immigrants and blacks long before Barack Obama was president, and they still do.

    More important, they were disproportionately social conservatives in 2006 — opposing abortion, for example — and still are today. Next to being a Republican, the strongest predictor of being a Tea Party supporter today was a desire, back in 2006, to see religion play a prominent role in politics. And Tea Partiers continue to hold these views: they seek “deeply religious” elected officials, approve of religious leaders’ engaging in politics and want religion brought into political debates. The Tea Party’s generals may say their overriding concern is a smaller government, but not their rank and file, who are more concerned about putting God in government.

    This inclination among the Tea Party faithful to mix religion and politics explains their support for Representative Michele Bachmann of Minnesota and Gov. Rick Perry of Texas. Their appeal to Tea Partiers lies less in what they say about the budget or taxes, and more in their overt use of religious language and imagery, including Mrs. Bachmann’s lengthy prayers at campaign stops and Mr. Perry’s prayer rally in Houston.

    Yet it is precisely this infusion of religion into politics that most Americans increasingly oppose. While over the last five years Americans have become slightly more conservative economically, they have swung even further in opposition to mingling religion and politics. It thus makes sense that the Tea Party ranks alongside the Christian Right in unpopularity."

    » Academic Study Confirms Tea Party Dominated By Far Right Xenophobic And Racist Theocrats Liberal Values

    Additional evidence:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/17/op...arty.html?_r=2

    https://www.irehr.org/issue-areas/te...al-origins-act

    And some charming vignettes:

    "•Civil rights hero Rep. John Lewis was taunted by tea partiers who chanted "nigger" at least 15 times, according to the Associated Press (we are not cleaning up language and using "the N-word" here because it's really important to understand what was said.) First reported on The Hill blog (no hotbed of left-wing fervor), the stories of Lewis being called "nigger" were confirmed by Lewis spokeswoman Brenda Jones and Democratic Rep. Andre Carson, who was walking with Lewis. "It was like going into the time machine with John Lewis," said Carson, a former police officer. "He said it reminded him of another time."
    •Another Congressional Black Caucus leader, Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, was spat upon by protesters. The culprit was arrested, but Cleaver declined to press charges.
    •House Majority Whip James Clybourn told reporters: "I heard people saying things today that I have not heard since March 15, 1960, when I was marching to try to get off the back of the bus."
    •There were many reports that Rep. Barney Frank was called a "faggot" by protesters, but the one I saw personally was by CNN's Dana Bash, who seemed rattled by the tea party fury. Frank told AP: "It's a mob mentality that doesn't work politically."
    •Meanwhile, a brick came through the window at Rep. Louise Slaughter's Niagara Falls office on Saturday (the day she argued for her "Slaughter solution" to pass health care reform, though it was rejected by other Democrats on the House Rules Committee)"
    A survey put out by a group called "Liberal Values" whose slogan is "Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought"? And it's supposed to be credible.

    And then, in an effort to support this survey, you add questionable anecdotes???

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    But this has nothing to do with whether he is correct or not. Every single member of Congress could be a racist, you don't know their thoughts and they might not even know their own biases, so to demand, as cpwill and other have done, that people get behind them and denouce his "false charges" is silly, at best.
    You feel it's okay to make charges against other people because, perhaps, somewhere in the nether regions of their mind, those charges might somehow prove to be correct? No evidence is required?

    Is that the standard now?

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I didn't lose my mind over "tar baby" and I don't know any other liberal that did. Generalizations again, I see.
    There is a reason why it is even being discussed in THIS thread. U mad Bro? (cuz apparently...thats racist too)

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You feel it's okay to make charges against other people because, perhaps, somewhere in the nether regions of their mind, those charges might somehow prove to be correct? No evidence is required?

    Is that the standard now?
    No, I think it's foolish to claim something is false when you don't know if it's false.

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