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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Hell son...you are using descriptive words seen here by Hatuey describing other 'blacks'. His comments were 'racist' because you WANT them to be. But seriosuly...THATS your defense? A congressman from Colorado uses the term Tar baby and you use TAHT to justify your defense that Tea Party Members want to Lynch black folk? Pathetic.
    My "defense" where the ColoradoSprings article is concerned was merely to show how one derogatory term has a racial sting to it when espoused to African Americans. You, on the other hand, have attempted to claim that I've used the phrase as evidence that they were spoken by a member of the Tea Party whom Rep. Carson has raised racial allegations against. I have done no such thing where this particular article is concerned.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Is it possible. Now...work with me here...is it POSSIBLE that the term "Tar Baby" DOESNT mean the same thing to some people as apparently it does to you and others? You used it and this one instance as your defense of "Tea Party politicians are racist" (the only reasin we are talking about it...you brought it up). But could it be that he WASNT being racist? I cited two other examples in YOUR cited story that OBVIOUSLY arent racist uses of the term.

    You want to have a discussion of what the "Tea Party" is? Fine. Great. having that discussion within a thread where Tea Party members are accused of wanting to see black folks strung up might not be the best venue. But based on what and who I know...Tea Party people believe in LEGAL immigration (and site 20-30 million illegal immigrants, 14 million jobless Americans, etc) and enforcement of laws. They believe in smaller and more fiscally conservative federal government (and use as their justification a 15.5 trillion dollar and climbing debt). Thats pretty much the extent of it. Do YOU believe in legal immigration and enforcement of existing laws? Do YOU believe the government should be fiscally conservative? Good lord, SB...is it possible you are a xenophobe too?

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I'm not sure where SB is going but labels are a problem. Both in the use and the reaction. Both words simply mean that people feel more comfortable around people they are used to. That would describe the vast majority of people. In that regard it's a perfectly benign statement that really doesn't mean much. If SB is saying that those who are Tea Party members are likely more at ease with the known as opposed to change, then really, I wouldn't disagree. Sometimes that can be positive and sometimes not.

    Sometimes people use these terms as blanket bitter statements with intent to inflame as their meaning can expand beyond that. Ask for context.
    Thanks Perry.

    For the record, I don't mean nativism and xenophobia to have negative connotations (but I admit that often they do). To me, those attitudes generally signify an aversion to societal change, fear unease, or concern about immigration both legal and illegal, and in general a change to what it means to "be American," fear of a change of a shifting American identity. That is what I mean.

    I don't know if MOST Tea Party members exhibit these characteristics, but I believe they exhibit these attitudes more so than the rest of the population.

    And obviously, even if we're not talking about the Tea Party, these attitudes still exist at large among the American population - just look at all the comments about Obama not being truly American, etc. This is what I mean by nativism.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I'm not sure where SB is going but labels are a problem. Both in the use and the reaction. Both words simply mean that people feel more comfortable around people they are used to. That would describe the vast majority of people. In that regard it's a perfectly benign statement that really doesn't mean much. If SB is saying that those who are Tea Party members are likely more at ease with the known as opposed to change, then really, I wouldn't disagree. Sometimes that can be positive and sometimes not.

    Sometimes people use these terms as blanket bitter statements with intent to inflame as their meaning can expand beyond that. Ask for context.
    Thanks Perry.

    For the record, I don't mean nativism and xenophobia to have negative connotations (but I admit that often they do). To me, those attitudes generally signify an aversion to societal change, fear unease, or concern about immigration both legal and illegal, and in general a change to what it means to "be American," fear of a change of a shifting American identity. That is what I mean.

    I don't know if MOST Tea Party members exhibit these characteristics, but I believe they exhibit these attitudes more so than the rest of the population.

    And obviously, even if we're not talking about the Tea Party, these attitudes still exist at large among the American population - just look at all the comments about Obama not being truly American, etc. This is what I mean by nativism.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    whoa...quadruple post my bad

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    whoa...quadruple post my bad
    For shame! Into exile you now must go!

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Liberal politicians do it. People like you defend their use of it. Common liberal tactic. Its no different than the Gabby Giffords aftermath. People blamed the shooter on conservatives....then when it was proven that there was no connection instead of just saying...yeah...you are right...that was a bull**** kneejerk stretch people like you said "yeah...well...still...maybe not in this case, but its still a problem because of conservative talk show hosts". You dont have the honesty, grace, or just good sense to say..."yeah...that was wrong...sorry". You are still doing it in this thread.
    Okay whatever you say. I tried to explain to you that the actions of some do not characterize the actions of the many, but as usual, you are being overly emotional and not responding to reason and have resorted to personal attacks as your only means of defense.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    whoa...quadruple post my bad
    Happened to me too...weird...

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    whoa...quadruple post my bad
    oh my god. that's an epic fail situation right there. jk, jk.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Okay whatever you say. I tried to explain to you that the actions of some do not characterize the actions of the many, but as usual, you are being overly emotional and not responding to reason and have resorted to personal attacks as your only means of defense.
    Well...there you go again. In other words...you defend the comments...excuse the comments...justify the comments...may not agree with the comments but they are still right...and shame on me for pointing out that you and others here defend the comments. I gotcha...

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