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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Exactly. And I'm using a very specific and valid definition of "Racist", the second one found here: Racism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
    I'm going to nitpick here on the stress that you're putting on the word "valid." Appeal to dictionary doesn't automatically equate with validity. The ability to shape language is a pretty powerful tool and ideologues try to capture that high ground and shape debates by getting in front of word definitions and pulling society towards a goal compared to the other way that words and definitions achieve prominence which is from how they are used and the usage is pushed forward to the point that it is classified.

    A very common ground level definition of racism is "one who dislikes a person, or hates a group, solely because of their race." This usage is not defined in the dictionary and yet it is widely believed to categorize racists from non-racists.

    The ability to cast a wider net and make more people racists is seen as a powerful tool in shaping society towards a preferred direction. Using racist as a shaming word can get people to modify their behavior. So control of the language is a political act. When you equate validity with a political act, you're making a false equivalence.

    Your grandmother thinks, I assume, that racists are people who hate people of other races. She doesn't think of herself as a racist because she doesn't have any hatred to blacks. You're condemning her as a racist because you agree with the political definition of racism being the observation of statistically significant behavior patterns observed within a group.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    To be honest, I don't think there's anything wrong with prejudice. In many ways, prejudice is just a response to one's experiences in an environment and a matter of practicality. For example, the woman walking alone would likely walk closer to another woman at night than a man because she believes based on experience that the man is stronger than her and more likely to rape or harm her. Similarly, in the inner city, black men are more likely to commit crime, so many people would walk on the opposite side of a group of black men at night in the inner city. But then the deep South is known for violent racism against blacks, so a black guy might walk away from a group of white men at night down south.

    The problem comes in when you take those ideas and take them into environments where they are unnecessary and nonsensical to employ - when you are scared of every black man, every white man, every man and so on in every environment and when you extend those prejudices beyond their reasonable and practical application thereby preventing yourself from getting to know people beyond their race, gender, etc.
    I think that you're making some very fine and subtle points here. The research that's been done on stereotypes has had a very difficult time finding anyone who believes in stereotypes in all situations and that they always apply to everyone who belongs to the stereotyped group. In your second paragraph, the point that I would add is that the boundary on what is acceptable and what is not acceptable is going to be a fuzzy line which is very highly context specific.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post

    It'd be similar to suggesting that a white person would be racist if given a choice to date a black woman and a white woman and said he'd date the white women because she's white too.
    people dont think that a person can be "pro white" and not be a racist......im white and im not ashamed of it nor will i apologize for it and if they want to think im racist because i prefer to date or marry within my own race i believe they are the one with the problem......if i walk into a room to sit down that is divided and on one side its all black people and the other all white....im not going to lie to you..im going to sit down with the whites.......im sure some would sit with the blacks just to prove to everybody they arent racist

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    got a link to that poll?
    CNN Exit Polls: 2008

    Question: Race of Candidates Was the Most Important Factor

    Obama voters = 58%
    McCain voters = 41%

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Probably not, because I've read enough of your posts now to know that you actually do qualify as racist based on the first definition found here
    Funny how those who shape the definitions of language have set themselves up as defining population geneticists and physical anthropologists as being racists by focusing their studies on the physical aspects of race.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Actually, strangely enough I thought his statement was a good question...

    If clutching ones purse when a black man walks by but not when white men walk by is racist becuase its "racial prejudice or discrimination".

    Would not clutching ones purse when a man walks by but not when women walk by be a sexist act because its "gender prejudice or discrimination".

    I actually thought it was a rather good question comparing two different situations where someone is performing an action based on the assumption that a person is more dangerous based singularly on a facet of their genetic code (be it skin color or gender).
    If the comparison was equal, it would have been a valid comparison. If he said a woman who always gets all nervous when a man approaches from the other direction (because my grandmother always gets a bit nervous when she sees a black man), it would have been an accurate analogy and in that case, the woman would be sexist.

    But he described a very specific scenario where the woman was nervous when she encountered the man and compared it to the general nervousness that my grandmother gets in any situation. That's an inaccurate comparison because the situation is what creates the nervousness in his hypothetical. The situation he described is one where women are often raped by men. It is the situation that is being judged by the woman in his hypothetical, not the men. My grandmother, however, is judging the person because the situation has no bearing on her becoming nervous.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    rather than whine about him daring to expressing his opinion, why don't you instead share with us what is found wrong about his observations
    How about the total lack of support for the claim?

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Akston View Post
    No, you fail to understand the meaning of the word racism. You also fail to understand the meaning of the words irony and sarcasm. But that shouldn't surprise me I suppose...

    Of the first 4 pages of the results, there is one racist sign and the inbred piece of trash can't even spell the word 'nigger' correctly. You see, the overwhelming majority (and I'm talking at least 95%) of Tea Partiers aren't racists. We don't like Obama because of his skin color (he is half-white after all), we don't like him because of his ideology, his stances on nearly every issue and his policies. We'd dislike Hillary Clinton every bit as much as Obama if not more.

    How about taking a look at these and get back to me on how racist the Tea Party is as a whole:



    http://www.youtube.com/user/SharpElb.../2/GYfmShJe5MA
    No he fails to understand anything except what he can pigeon hole in his own fantasy world.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    If the comparison was equal, it would have been a valid comparison. If he said a woman who always gets all nervous when a man approaches from the other direction (because my grandmother always gets a bit nervous when she sees a black man), it would have been an accurate analogy and in that case, the woman would be sexist.
    This admission of yours simply devalues the word sexist to a level of meaninglessness. You're basically calling every woman a sexist if she is mentally aware of the fact that men have been known to attack women and she takes even the slightest precaution against such an eventuality.

    I'll go in the other direction and say women would have to be purposefully stupid to not be sexists in such situations.

    If the definition of the word diverges from how people understand the concept, then we shouldn't be labeling all these women as sexists, we should instead by taking the political agenda out of the word definition and allow the definition to reflect what people actually understand the word "sexist" to be.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    yep .. now google hate signs about Bush .. hmmm wonders what that makes your liberal Bast**ds then .. certainly no better then the tea party huh ??
    I have no problem with I HATE OBAMA signs. I have lots of problems with OBAMA IS A NIGGER signs or their equal.
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