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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Thats racist to you???

    ďI donít even want to have to be associated with him. Itís like touching a tar baby, and you get it ó you know, youíre stuck, and youíre part of the problem now, and you canít get away,Ē Lamborn said. ďI donít want that to happen to us (Republicans), but if it does, or not, heíll still get ó properly so ó the blame, because his policies, for four years, will have failed the American people.Ē

    Please by all means cite when this went from being an apt descriptor of a no win situation where once you get in you are stuck and cant get out to "well...some people believe it is a racist comment." And please tell me what other positions Congressman Lamborn has taken that are racist. The floor is all yours.

    Read more: Lamborn calls Obama a "tar baby" | lamborn, obama, rep - Colorado Springs Gazette, CO
    Did you bother to read the article in its entirety?

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    From the ColoradoSprings Gazette article linked in post #759:



    Once you go in that direction, it's very difficult to be viewed as anything but a racist.

    Tar baby...money...ape...Sambo...welfare president...

    All are connotation denoting racism.
    Hell son...you are using descriptive words seen here by Hatuey describing other 'blacks'. His comments were 'racist' because you WANT them to be. But seriosuly...THATS your defense? A congressman from Colorado uses the term Tar baby and you use TAHT to justify your defense that Tea Party Members want to Lynch black folk? Pathetic.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Did you bother to read the article in its entirety?
    I did. And I ask again...WHEN did the term Tar Baby go from the meaning ascribed in the Uncle Remus story to being a racist term that people like you use to justify your bigotry against an entire group of people?

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    "Welfare president" is racist?

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    So, for the record, I believe Carson is wrong and that he should apologize.
    Hey, sorry. My post was addressed to the wrong person. Yes, I've had no problems with your position. My bad.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Obtuse? Why...because you think it is APPROPRIATE to use a study to label Tea Party members as racist based on some study by a group you know nothing about that uses vague genaralizations and NOT to other groups? You can express bigotry towards Tea Party participants (and be VERY clear...you are endorsing the congressmans comments and calling people you cant identify and dont know "racists") and dont think that is the same as someone saying that since there are so many blacks in prison it sure says a lot about blacks? Geeeezus, SB...really?
    Vance, you need to chill out and actually read what I say. I called no-one racist. There is EVIDENCE that Tea Party members exhibit xenophobia and nativism more so than the average population. That is CLEARLY a GENERALIZATION, as I have freely admitted.

    Saying that blacks are overrepresented in the prison population merely means that blacks are criminalized more (meaning they are either caught committing crimes more, or actually committing crimes more). It really says nothing about black people beyond that. Any further conclusions an individual wishes to draw beyond that is just bull****.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Did you bother to read the article in its entirety?
    "Lamborn isn't the only politician to ever land in hot water by using those two words. Former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney was lambasted in 2006 for using the phrase in reference to a construction project, and U.S. Sen. John McCain had to apologize in 2007, during his presidential run, for using it in reference to divorces."

    Oh...but he is a RACIST. Calling a divorce a Tar Baby is a code word for John McCain hates black people (and you know how he feels about Tea Party people...right?) and Mitt Romney calling a construction project a "Tar Baby" also is just code for "republicans unite and string up black folks!" Good lord.

    Read more: Lamborn calls Obama a "tar baby" | lamborn, obama, rep - Colorado Springs Gazette, CO

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Vance, you need to chill out and actually read what I say. I called no-one racist. There is EVIDENCE that Tea Party members exhibit xenophobia and nativism more so than the average population. That is CLEARLY a GENERALIZATION, as I have freely admitted.

    Saying that blacks are overrepresented in the prison population merely means that blacks are criminalized more (meaning they are either caught committing crimes more, or actually committing crimes more). It really says nothing about black people beyond that. Any further conclusions an individual wishes to draw beyond that is just bull****.
    SB...you need to stop defending the indefensable. Using an argument by an idiotic congressman as a platform to launch your own bigoted attack is pretty reprehensible. You dont LIKE bigotry then stop BEING a bigot. MOST Tea Party people I know are interested in nothing more than a smaller and more fiscally conservative government.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I did. And I ask again...WHEN did the term Tar Baby go from the meaning ascribed in the Uncle Remus story to being a racist term that people like you use to justify your bigotry against an entire group of people?
    I don't know the history of the term precisely, but I do know it has clear racial connotations. And once again, I have to repeat myself that I DO NOT BELIEVE the Tea Party, as a whole, to be a racist movement. You simply asked for an example, and I provided one.

    And beyond that, I'm not a Tea Party bigot. I respect their right to have their own views, and I have friends and parents of friends who are Tea Party supporters, believe it or not. I simply wish to have an honest discussion about who they are and what characteristics they exhibit.

    Slinging around terms like "bigot" is just as idiotic as doing the same with the term "racist." It obscures honest discussion, which happens too little these days. You criticize the President, you're called a racist. You wish to call racism out, you're accused of "playing the race card." You criticize the tea party, and you're a "bigot." Hold pro-choice views, you "hate babies." Hold pro-life views, and you "hate women." Critical of Israel, you're called an anti-Semite. Critical of Palestine, you're called a Zionist. It's just more of the same bull****.

    I simply wish to have an honest discussion about who the Tea Party is. I have already made it clear that I don't believe them to be racist. If attempting to have an honest discussion about it makes me a "bigot," then Vance, ****ing take a chill pill and we can have a reasonable discussion.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    SB...you need to stop defending the indefensable. Using an argument by an idiotic congressman as a platform to launch your own bigoted attack is pretty reprehensible. You dont LIKE bigotry then stop BEING a bigot. MOST Tea Party people I know are interested in nothing more than a smaller and more fiscally conservative government.
    repeated from previous post:

    I don't know the history of the term precisely, but I do know it has clear racial connotations. And once again, I have to repeat myself that I DO NOT BELIEVE the Tea Party, as a whole, to be a racist movement. You simply asked for an example, and I provided one.
    Please calm the **** down and actually read what I say.

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