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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Did you even read the post I was responding to? Blacks have a lower rate of marriage than whites which is what cpwill was referring to and my point was that forcing people to get married doesn't help anything.
    when did i suggest force?

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    when did i suggest force?
    Rdads posts seemed to imply it somehow.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Rdads posts seemed to imply it somehow.
    Yeah, blame me for something that occurred before I contributed to that conversation. Nice try.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Yeah, blame me for something that occurred before I contributed to that conversation. Nice try.
    Innocent mistake... I was totally trying to turn the whole forum against you.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Innocent mistake... I was totally trying to turn the whole forum against you.
    Oh, in that case, sorry for interrupting your efforts. Carry on.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Oh, in that case, sorry for interrupting your efforts. Carry on.
    I may have to link some things you say and put them in a little folder... and divulge them to...
    anyone who doesnt know what youre doing on the internet.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Let's delve a little deeper into how you see life in Black America. Share with us exactly why you think blacks in marriages hate each other more than other couples from other races hate each other in their marriages.
    It's a real problem. It does no good to just try and brush it aside. To think the problems lie only with employers will not solve anything.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I have! I watched the video as aired on FoxNews just moments ago and Congressman Carson specifically said, "some of them in Congress right now of this Tea Party movement...". He did not say the entire Tea Party. But you can see the video yourself linked herein. They even placed Congressman Carson's words directly on the screen. So, unless you are illiterate there's no way anyone can misinterpret his words.
    To try and parse his words is cowardly IMO. They were wrong and hateful no matter who they were directed at.

    Curious...if the Tea Party isn't made up of just Republicans and are a "movement" of itself, why are Republican's getting so upset? After all, aren't there suppose to be some liberals among them?
    It's because they are tired of the double standard.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    To try and parse his words is cowardly IMO. They were wrong and hateful no matter who they were directed at.
    Now, you're just being disingenuous. No one parsed Rep. Carson's words. If you watched the video clip, you heard exactly what I heard, read exactly what I read because the man's words were displayed right on the screen as he uttered them. There was no parsing; no bleeping out certain words other than an "inaudibable" word that came long before Rep. Carson's rant against certain unnamed members of the Tea Party and one line FoxNews omitted. However, you could still hear the man speaking. Those two edits and one omission occurred on the first screen shot. The words Rep. Carson spoke that has caused such a ruckus were displayed on the second screen. If you still doubt, go back and watch the video. If you still deny his words were parsed or that he didn't include the entire Tea Party movement in his commentary, then I really don't know what to say to you except you simply refuse to accept the truth.

    It's because they are tired of the double standard.
    What double standard?

    Look, I openly admit there are Blacks within the Republican Party, as well as, within the Tea Party. We've seen them - folks like Allen West and Herman Cane are two such examples. I'm sure there are others. Those who have studied politics let alone U.S. history should know that it was the Republic party who freed the slaves and first gave Blacks the right to vote. But somewhere along the way the Republican party became a party of separatist moreso than the Democrat party which few people acknowledge was the party that started the Klan. Why do you think they use to call some southern Democrats "Dixicrats"? President Andrew Jackson, who was a Democrat, opposed freeing the slaves. So, there were people in high positions of power among the Democrat party who did not want to see Blacks with the freedoms we all now share. But again, somewhere along the line for a time, the Republican party stopped being inclusives and took a more separatist stance on issues of race. No time illustrated that populist mentality more than the Civil Rights era. But that's starting to turn around again.

    Still, to put things even more in focus, there are still some elements of racism within the Republican party. It was fully on display during the run-up to the 2008 presidential election and we've seen it at times throughout President Obama's tenure. Such behavior is still on display today. Who do you think was the first to bring up the Rev. Wright "God Damn America" video? Was it a Democrats? The only Democrat who stood a chance to gain anything from having that video go public was Hillary Clinton. Did she plant it?

    What about the Shirly Sherrod NAACP video? It first aired on FoxNews, not CNN or MSNBC nor MediaMatters. FoxNews admitted they got the video from Mr. Brightbart who we all know is a member of the Tea Party movement. And we also know that Mrs. Sherrod's words from the NAACP conference were taken out of context. Yet, the seeds of racism had been planted by an agent of the Right - two if you count FoxNews as such (I certainly do because as most people acknowledge FoxNews is a Right-leaning media outlet same as MSNBC is a Left-leaning media outlet.)

    Now, here's a shocker...there have been Black presidential candidates long before the Rev. Jesse Jackson. The first was Clennon King in 1960; the first Black female, Charlene Mitchell. But the first to run and actully win the primary nomination of a major political party (Democrat) was Shirley Chisholm. The first Black Republican to ever be placed on the ballot for the presidency was also a female, Margaret Chase Smith. She lost to Barry Goldwater.

    This and other "Black American firsts" can be found here. So, where President Obama is concerned, he wasn't the first Black presidential candidate to win a major party primary nomination. He was just the first most Black (and White) people believed could actually stand a chance to win! So, of course, millions of African Americans threw their support behind him. As the comedian, Chris Rock, has said, "Barack was Black and qualified". What I find crazy about this whole "Blacks voted for one of their own kind" argument is that African Americans have been voting for White presidents since they first were given the right to vote. But suddenly when a viable Black presidential candiate burst upon the sceen and takes the country by storm suddenly we're all racist because we put the power of our vote to work for one of our own? What does that say about the millions of White people who have voted for nothing but White presidential hopefuls throughout this country's history? Sounds rather idiotic doesn't it considering there weren't a whole lot of candidates from other races to choose from, doesn't it? But then again, it was White America who took issue with electing a Roman-Catholic to the White House in the 60's.

    My point to all this is there are racist elements in both parties, some perhaps more obvious than others. I try to ignore it, try not to get so caught up in it, but some people make it very difficult to remain above the fray because every time someone tries to have an open and honest dialog about race in America the topic gets thrown completely off track. Look at how this thread suddenly went from being about the validity of Rep. Carson's comments to cultural issues within the Black race? What does marital statistics among African Americans have to do with anything Rep. Carson said? Why is it so difficult for people to admit they've overracted when the evidence of the man's words are put right before them to read for themselves? Why is it considered misleading when the President points out an obvious political strategy that he knows full well will be levied against him? Why was it wrong for the future First Lady to openly say, "Black Americans traditionally stay away from the voting booths during Presidential elections" considering their numbers were low in the Democratic presidential primaries. Thus, all she was saying was when asked of the matter was "hopefully, African Americans will wake up and get out there and put the power of their collective vote behind a viable Black candidate who happened to be her husband?" Why was that so wrong in light of history among African Americans as a voting block?

    If we're going to truly talk about the racial divide can we atleast acknowledge the history behind it and try to place events of today in their proper context?
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 09-05-11 at 10:20 AM.

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