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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Akston View Post
    How do you think a group called the NAAWP would go over? Do you think it would be viewed as racist?
    Depends on the context of it's origins. The NAACP formed in a very, very different time in our country. Excluding it's historical context is folly, IMO.

    IMO, any group that pushes an agenda based solely on the color of one's skin is racist. We are Americans, not hyphenated Americans. It's time we stop separating ourselves with pre-fixes and start viewing each other as equals.
    I don't believe that there is a uniform American culture, so the hyphens don't bother me much. I also don't think that acknowledging the cultural aspects of the hyphenation means that you don't view people equally.

    I've been to Tea Party events Tucker, and in the deep south. I've seen no racism whatsoever at these events. If it isn't here in the deep south, where is it then?
    Many people don't proclaim their racism in public because it's not a popular position. And racism is not a uniquely southern thing. Not even close. Hell, I'd say Chicago has as many racists as any place in the south, if not more. And I have seen them here. I know a few that regularly attend tea party events, too. Sure, they say that they aren't racist while in the company of others, and you'd never guess it just by looking at them at these rallies because they don't advertise it.

    Sure, there are a few here and there, but I have not witnessed any racists at any event I've been to.
    You not having witnessed them there doesn't mean they aren't there. There is still a lot of racism in the US.

    Hell, I know a bunch of people who believe they aren't racist, but they are. My own grandmother is an example. She's absolutely terrified of black people. If she sees one, she automatically clutches her purse. She's racist as all hell, but she's completely oblivious to it. I make fun of her for it and she says "I'm not racist! I'm just cautious! You never know" And I say "Yeah, cautious around black people." she doesn't hate black people, she just discriminates against them. She believed the crap she was told when she was younger. I'm not going to change her just by pointing out that it's wrong. But she thinks that by not hating black people, she can't be racist. That's also incorrect.

    I'm also sure my grandmother isn't unique in this. Nor is it only her age group that has these issues. I'm also fairly confident that more than 5% of any large group of people will be of this type. How much more than 5%, I cannot say.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    but the tea party does not have much color ... unless we agree that white is a color

    Look at that sea of white faces. That whole movement is delegimitized by appealing to so many white people.




    Let's all work at boycotting Stephen Colbert and his racist viewers for not enticing more black people to watch his show and attend his rallies.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Pointing out racist organizations doesn't really counter, in any way, tucker assertion that taking any sizable grouping of people you're unlikely to find that 95% of them AREN'T racist.

    I actually agree with him, in the way he is describing it. Yep, there are racists in the Tea Party. There's racists in the NAACP. There's racists in the Democratic and Republican parties. And on and on. And I don't think its unreasonable to think its above 5% of the group if you think on average more than 5% of the population is racist. I just don't see how there's some grand need for the Tea Party to root out its racist contingent on some kind of huge focused effort than its necessary for the NAACP to do it. Simply because the Tea Party is currently an organization doing more visable protesting, letting a more apparent image of its racists show up than the generalized memberhsip of the NCAAP doesn't make it any less or more racist of a group nor have any large need to "remove" them. Indeed, the only reason the Tea Party has so much focus on its "racists" is because its political advantageous for liberals to make a bigger deal of it than it is and tell them they need to "Deal with it" because....it'll make liberals happy who will continue to hate the tea party anyways?

    The percentage of racists in the tea party is likely not much different than any other generalized political movement, grouping, organizatoin, etc...or even really most any group. Especially in the way Tucker describes, where someone who holds their purse closer when they see black people or when someone assumes a person is out to get them because the individual is white equals being "racist".

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Many people don't proclaim their racism in public because it's not a popular position. And racism is not a uniquely southern thing. Not even close. Hell, I'd say Chicago has as many racists as any place in the south, if not more. And I have seen them here. I know a few that regularly attend tea party events, too. Sure, they say that they aren't racist while in the company of others, and you'd never guess it just by looking at them at these rallies because they don't advertise it.

    You not having witnessed them there doesn't mean they aren't there. There is still a lot of racism in the US.
    Don't overlook all the liberal racists who swooned at the prospect of voting for a black man. According to exit polling Obama attracted more racists than he did McCain.

    Hell, I know a bunch of people who believe they aren't racist, but they are. My own grandmother is an example. She's absolutely terrified of black people. If she sees one, she automatically clutches her purse. She's racist as all hell, but she's completely oblivious to it.
    Just like so many women are sexists but don't own up to it, right? Ever watch a woman walking alone on a college campus at night and a how she gets all nervous as a man approaches her from the other direction on that dark and lonely path? Many women become wary of him and prejudge him to be a threat. They DON'T KNOW that he is setting out to rape them. These types of women are bigots and should be shamed for their bigotry, right?

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Especially in the way Tucker describes, where someone who holds their purse closer when they see black people or when someone assumes a person is out to get them because the individual is white equals being "racist".
    Exactly. And I'm using a very specific and valid definition of "Racist", the second one found here: Racism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

    Which is:
    racial prejudice or discrimination
    That's the one that most people actually mean when they use the term.

    If we were using the first, more stringant definition I'd say that 95% is possible, but I would doubt that number if it was based simply on what a person has personally observed at the events and not some more valid form of assessment.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Don't overlook all the liberal racists who swooned at the prospect of voting for a black man. According to exit polling Obama attracted more racists than he did McCain.



    Just like so many women are sexists but don't own up to it, right? Ever watch a woman walking alone on a college campus at night and a how she gets all nervous as a man approaches her from the other direction on that dark and lonely path? Many women become wary of him and prejudge him to be a threat. They DON'T KNOW that he is setting out to rape them. These types of women are bigots and should be shamed for their bigotry, right?
    got a link to that poll?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Don't overlook all the liberal racists who swooned at the prospect of voting for a black man. According to exit polling Obama attracted more racists than he did McCain.
    Why do you imagine that this is relevant to what I said?



    Just like so many women are sexists but don't own up to it, right?
    Sure. I've met many female sexists.


    Ever watch a woman walking alone on a college campus at night and a how she gets all nervous as a man approaches her from the other direction on that dark and lonely path? Many women become wary of him and prejudge him to be a threat. They DON'T KNOW that he is setting out to rape them. These types of women are bigots and should be shamed for their bigotry, right?
    You realize that your scenario is far different than the one I described right?

    Probably not, because I've read enough of your posts now to know that you actually do qualify as racist based on the first definition found here: Racism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

    Hell, you admit it so often that I'd guess that you are even proud of those beliefs.

    I do not know if you are prejudiced or discriminate based on the fact that you fit the first definition, though.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    got a link to that poll?
    I think he's going with the number of individuals who stated they voted for Obama because he was black, suggesting they were prejudice against white people based on the assumption that a black man would automatically be better for them or that a white man automatically would be worse for htem.

    It'd be similar to suggesting that a white person would be racist if given a choice to date a black woman and a white woman and said he'd date the white women because she's white too.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Just like so many women are sexists but don't own up to it, right? Ever watch a woman walking alone on a college campus at night and a how she gets all nervous as a man approaches her from the other direction on that dark and lonely path? Many women become wary of him and prejudge him to be a threat. They DON'T KNOW that he is setting out to rape them. These types of women are bigots and should be shamed for their bigotry, right?
    To be honest, I don't think there's anything wrong with prejudice. In many ways, prejudice is just a response to one's experiences in an environment and a matter of practicality. For example, the woman walking alone would likely walk closer to another woman at night than a man because she believes based on experience that the man is stronger than her and more likely to rape or harm her. Similarly, in the inner city, black men are more likely to commit crime, so many people would walk on the opposite side of a group of black men at night in the inner city. But then the deep South is known for violent racism against blacks, so a black guy might walk away from a group of white men at night down south.

    The problem comes in when you take those ideas and take them into environments where they are unnecessary and nonsensical to employ - when you are scared of every black man, every white man, every man and so on in every environment and when you extend those prejudices beyond their reasonable and practical application thereby preventing yourself from getting to know people beyond their race, gender, etc.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case;1059767155
    Probably not, because I've read enough of your posts now to know that [I
    you[/I] actually do qualify as racist based on the first definition found here: Racism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
    Actually, strangely enough I thought his statement was a good question...

    If clutching ones purse when a black man walks by but not when white men walk by is racist becuase its "racial prejudice or discrimination".

    Would not clutching ones purse when a man walks by but not when women walk by be a sexist act because its "gender prejudice or discrimination".

    I actually thought it was a rather good question comparing two different situations where someone is performing an action based on the assumption that a person is more dangerous based singularly on a facet of their genetic code (be it skin color or gender).

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