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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That is true. And if you do not have to sell one you already own and have a mortgage on and have a pile of money to get the new one with, you are in the catbird seat. For everybody else, not so much.
    Then it would seem that 'homelessness' is a poorly defined term for the predicament of these people. There would appear to be other problems involved quite apart from not owning or being unqualified to rent a home. Mental illness perhaps, drug use, alcoholism. severe depression.

    I feel that the term 'homelessness' was often a catchall term used for political purposes rather than clearly defining where the problems truly were.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    You realize that I wasn't serious right. I'm playing tit for tat. FTR, Carson don't really "start" anything. We're all responsible for our own behavior.
    Well, yes, I agree with that and I understood your position but the last thing we need is for people to start crap like this when even he realized he was wrong in saying it.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yes you were and you know damn well that you were serious.
    Uhh...no. Perhaps you should read the conversation again. Riverdad posted a study saying liberals were racist and posted one from the same source that said conservatives are racist. Do you really not understand that context? This thread is so stupid.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    And they believe certain pigmentation lead to more productivity, so yes,
    And women who see a man approaching them on the sidewalk late at night think that they are at greater risk because of the person's sexual organs. Women are sexual discriminators. Boo women. Time to send women to leftist reeducation camps.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Uhh...no. Perhaps you should read the conversation again. Riverdad posted a study saying liberals were racist and posted one from the same source that said conservatives are racist. Do you really not understand that context? This thread is so stupid.
    If you're going to play "he started it first" then at least do so honestly and note that my comment was in response to:


    I know people in the Tea Party movement who would very much like to see black people hanging from trees. I don't consider them representative of the entire movement, but that element does exist in the Tea Party movement. Get over it. You can't pretend it doesn't exist just because it is inconvenient.


    You don't take offense at that statement. Why not?

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    FIxing it going forward requires change...on all peoples behalf.

    Just got back from San Fran...several meetings with homless coalitions. Guess the one common thread all the homeless groups, unemployed groups, tenants rights groups, etc ALL have in common. Give up? They all deman more from those that are wealthy. They demand change from the government...fed, and local. They demand more resources. You know what is NEVER mentioned? The homeless. There is never even a consideration for changing the environment that creates thesituation and for personal responsibility
    Yeah. Everybody has got some excuse why it isn't their problem. Homeless people have all these rationalizations about the system keeping them down, Republicans have all these rationalizations about "personal responsibility"... End result, nobody does anything to fix it.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Yeah. Everybody has got some excuse why it isn't their problem. Homeless people have all these rationalizations about the system keeping them down, Republicans have all these rationalizations about "personal responsibility"... End result, nobody does anything to fix it.
    It appears you don't have much confidence in 'personal responsibility'. Are you speaking for yourself here?

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Do you really not understand that context? This thread is so stupid.
    So goes the liberal "thinking" pattern

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Sure, let's party. That study doesn't control for familiarity or interaction. Look at this chart - white people in districts with low African American populations were more likely to vote for Obama than white people living in districts with high levels of African American population.

    The point is that when you do an implicit bias test you need to control for EXACTLY WHAT that implicit bias is referring to. Whites in Vermont whose principal exposure to blacks is by watching TV will have a different implicit bias than whites who live side by side with blacks in Detroit or Atlanta. Both good and bad biases form. If you want to understand something then you have to ask the proper questions.

    In this case, why is it that as the black proportion of a state increases there is less white support for Obama? If you think it's racism, then why are the most racist whites living in the most racially diverse states and the least racist whites are living in the least racially diverse states. Look at Portland, Oregon, a mecca for white liberals. New Geography reports:


    Among the media, academia and within planning circles, there’s a generally standing answer to the question of what cities are the best, the most progressive and best role models for small and mid-sized cities. The standard list includes Portland, Seattle, Austin, Minneapolis, and Denver. In particular, Portland is held up as a paradigm, with its urban growth boundary, extensive transit system, excellent cycling culture, and a pro-density policy. These cities are frequently contrasted with those of the Rust Belt and South, which are found wanting, often even by locals, as “cool” urban places.

    But look closely at these exemplars and a curious fact emerges. If you take away the dominant Tier One cities like New York, Chicago and Los Angeles you will find that the “progressive” cities aren’t red or blue, but another color entirely: white.

    In fact, not one of these “progressive” cities even reaches the national average for African American percentage population in its core county. Perhaps not progressiveness but whiteness is the defining characteristic of the group.

    Awesome. My turn.

    1. Only 12% of the participants in said study were Republican. Pretty uneven for a successful comparison of both groups. Enough said.

    2. It's interesting to me that in the published paper, he didn't actually mention the racial bias of Democrats. Weird that he left that bit out, right?

    http://pcl.stanford.edu/common/docs/...trina-cues.pdf

    The point is that you can find many studies about this and they'll all say different things if only because racism can be well hidden and is difficult to measure. For every study you pull out of your ass to say liberals are more racist than conservatives, there's another that says the opposite.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    If you're going to play "he started it first" then at least do so honestly and note that my comment was in response to:

    I know people in the Tea Party movement who would very much like to see black people hanging from trees. I don't consider them representative of the entire movement, but that element does exist in the Tea Party movement. Get over it. You can't pretend it doesn't exist just because it is inconvenient.

    You don't take offense at that statement. Why not?
    Why would I take offense to a statement of someone telling his own personal experiences AND stating that his personal experiences are NOT representative of the entire movement. CT pointed out that racists do, in fact, exist in the Tea Party movement. In fact, they exist everywhere! You, on the other hand, decided to post a ridiculous study that framed an entire group as racist. Fail.

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