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    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    have I ever said so? no. I recognize the reality of cultural discrimination. Employers could care less about the pigmentation - they care about the productivity versus costs.
    And they believe certain pigmentation lead to more productivity, so yes, "they" (not all employers by the way) care about race. This semantics BS is starting to get tiring. And yes, you have all but said that you approve of racial discrimination, except instead of explicitly saying it you say "blacks don't have a subculture that encourages success" so it makes sense to discriminate against them.

    indeed they are. Cosby is right on this issue - blacks are currently generally their own worst enemy (same could be said of most consistently lower-income whites)
    debatable.

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    yep.

    see: cpwill's posts in the education forum, consistent support of vouchers to allow poor urban minorities to escape failing school systems.
    it's good that you acknowledge unequal opportunity, but vouchers only help already successful kids whose parents are involved in their education. the most at risk kids are the ones who don't have either - but that's another topic.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    so sad that people who support Obama want to see blacks hanging from trees

    Another study presented at the conference, which was in Palm Springs, Calif., explored relationships between racial bias and political affiliation by analyzing self-reported beliefs, voting patterns and the results of psychological tests that measure implicit attitudes -- subtle stereotypes people hold about various groups.

    That study found that supporters of President Bush and other conservatives had stronger self-admitted and implicit biases against blacks than liberals did.

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    The analysis found that substantial majorities of Americans, liberals and conservatives, found it more difficult to associate black faces with positive concepts than white faces -- evidence of implicit bias. But districts that registered higher levels of bias systematically produced more votes for Bush.

    "Obviously, such research does not speak at all to the question of the prejudice level of the president," said Banaji, "but it does show that George W. Bush is appealing as a leader to those Americans who harbor greater anti-black prejudice."


    Study Ties Political Leanings to Hidden Biases
    So sad that Republicans are racist bastards. Are we done yet?

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    So sad that Republicans are racist bastards. Are we done yet?
    See what people like Carson starts?

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    And they believe certain pigmentation lead to more productivity, so yes, "they" (not all employers by the way) care about race.
    no, they don't. they think that different cultures lead to more or less productivity, and they are correct.

    This semantics BS is starting to get tiring. And yes, you have all but said that you approve of racial discrimination, except instead of explicitly saying it you say "blacks don't have a subculture that encourages success" so it makes sense to discriminate against them.
    which doesn't in any way make it an affront to physical race. that is why if a black man speaks well, dresses nicely, shows up early, and demonstrates an active mind, he tends to do as well as his white counterparts that demonstrate the same. Thomas Sowell, for example, has done some excellent work demonstrating that blacks that are raised by both parents in a house where they are read to as children tend to have the same success as whites raised in the same circumstance. The problem comes not from racism, but from the fact that the above conditions apply to a significantly smaller percentage of blacks than whites, and (again) a smaller percentage of whites than asians.

    debatable.
    at this point, unfortunately, not really. as i recall the figures, roughly 3/4ths of black child poverty could be solved tomorrow through the simple mechanism of having their mothers marry their fathers.

    yep
    it's legal, we have free speech. never did i say that racism was acceptable.

    it's good that you acknowledge unequal opportunity, but vouchers only help already successful kids whose parents are involved in their education.
    this is incorrect, vouchers are overwhelmingly popular with black parents for precisely the reasons that I outlined.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    See what people like Carson starts?
    You realize that I wasn't serious right. I'm playing tit for tat. FTR, Carson don't really "start" anything. We're all responsible for our own behavior.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    The Libbos are never going to see the light, until things fall completely apart and they look up, dumb-struck and say, "****, this ain't workin".

    I mean, 30+ years of equal oppurtunity legislation and the black unemployment rate is at it's highest in...27 years!
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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    You realize that I wasn't serious right. I'm playing tit for tat. FTR, Carson don't really "start" anything. We're all responsible for our own behavior.
    Yes you were and you know damn well that you were serious.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    no, they don't. they think that different cultures lead to more or less productivity, and they are correct.
    Cultures...based on race. You differentiated cultures by race - Asians, whites, blacks (well Asian is more ethnicity, but you get the picture). I hate semantics games.

    which doesn't in any way make it an affront to physical race. that is why if a black man speaks well, dresses nicely, shows up early, and demonstrates an active mind, he tends to do as well as his white counterparts that demonstrate the same. Thomas Sowell, for example, has done some excellent work demonstrating that blacks that are raised by both parents in a house where they are read to as children tend to have the same success as whites raised in the same circumstance. The problem comes not from racism, but from the fact that the above conditions apply to a significantly smaller percentage of blacks than whites, and (again) a smaller percentage of whites than asians.
    You do realize that there are countless examples where this is not the case. I linked to an Abercrombie and Fitch lawsuit where they had to pay $50 million for discrimination based on race because certain races didn't fit the "look" of the company. There hundreds, if not, thousands of similar cases. It's not just about "dressing nicely and speaking well". I think we live in two completely separate realities.

    at this point, unfortunately, not really. as i recall the figures, roughly 3/4ths of black child poverty could be solved tomorrow through the simple mechanism of having their mothers marry their fathers.
    Yes, we live in two separate realities.


    it's legal, we have free speech. never did i say that racism was acceptable.
    well of course you wouldn't ever say that. what you said was, "X race is known for Y culture", therefore employers don't hire that race as much for productivity and I like productivity. Like I said before, conservatives have become creative with their language.

    this is incorrect, vouchers are overwhelmingly popular with black parents for precisely the reasons that I outlined.
    actually, it is correct. something being popular doesn't make it successful.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    You want to keep playing these games? I can go all night.
    Sure, let's party. That study doesn't control for familiarity or interaction. Look at this chart - white people in districts with low African American populations were more likely to vote for Obama than white people living in districts with high levels of African American population.




    The point is that when you do an implicit bias test you need to control for EXACTLY WHAT that implicit bias is referring to. Whites in Vermont whose principal exposure to blacks is by watching TV will have a different implicit bias than whites who live side by side with blacks in Detroit or Atlanta. Both good and bad biases form. If you want to understand something then you have to ask the proper questions.

    In this case, why is it that as the black proportion of a state increases there is less white support for Obama? If you think it's racism, then why are the most racist whites living in the most racially diverse states and the least racist whites are living in the least racially diverse states. Look at Portland, Oregon, a mecca for white liberals. New Geography reports:


    Among the media, academia and within planning circles, there’s a generally standing answer to the question of what cities are the best, the most progressive and best role models for small and mid-sized cities. The standard list includes Portland, Seattle, Austin, Minneapolis, and Denver. In particular, Portland is held up as a paradigm, with its urban growth boundary, extensive transit system, excellent cycling culture, and a pro-density policy. These cities are frequently contrasted with those of the Rust Belt and South, which are found wanting, often even by locals, as “cool” urban places.

    But look closely at these exemplars and a curious fact emerges. If you take away the dominant Tier One cities like New York, Chicago and Los Angeles you will find that the “progressive” cities aren’t red or blue, but another color entirely: white.

    In fact, not one of these “progressive” cities even reaches the national average for African American percentage population in its core county. Perhaps not progressiveness but whiteness is the defining characteristic of the group.


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