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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Again, the same argument could have been used against the Klan. Or how about a women's group for being exclusively...women? Golf clubs use to be all male and for a time before Tiger Wood, most professional golf clubs were all White males only. So, you're argument really carries no merit here. If, however, you can point to racist or separatist aggitator activites committed by the CBC throughout its history, as I said previously, I'm 100% in your corner.
    Not allowing other races to join is the definition of a separatist. Not allowing other races to join is the very definition of racism. You are saying it was O.K. for the club to exclude blacks?

    And no, this did not end with Tiger Woods. It ended overwhelmingly long before that.
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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    It's cheap to try and equate the beliefs of a very few with any one particular group they may hold some affiliation with.
    Yeah, but CT didn't do that (in fact, he did the opposite) and you still questioned his evidence. Do you hold those who claim that there aren't any racist members of Tea Partiers to the same standards because I have only seen you question those who say that there are racists within it.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    oh so they are responsible for their discrimination. You just call discrimination "wisely allocating their limited time and resources".
    you've got limited amounts of time and a limited ability to spend your time interviewing - so yes, you probably make snap judgements about people. but what you are mistaking is racism for cultural discrimination. asians' in this country have a subculture that makes them generally better employees than whites, which is why they will get hired more and do better, whereas whites have the same advantage over blacks. You want to get upset about it? that's fine - increasing America's productivity is generally okay with me. but the solution doesn't lie with trying to force employers to make less economically intelligent decisions - employers care about no other color so much as they care about the color green. Instead it lies with fixing black culture so that they produce more productive members of society. If black means just as high a chance of green as white does, then that single statistic that teamosil has been trumping around here until it dies of overuse goes away.
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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    No it isn't. I live in the south, and I know people in the Tea Party movement who would very much like to see black people hanging from trees. I don't consider them representative of the entire movement, but that element does exist in the Tea Party movement. Get over it. You can't pretend it doesn't exist just because it is inconvenient.
    I call BS. I'm from Alabama - you don't get more "South" than that. I have met plenty of people who are mildly racist, but I have yet to meet more than two (who were, frankly, not all there) who would ever even condone violence against people due to their race. Saying "oh there's an element there" because you have maybe a handful of individuals is a standard you can apply to any organization.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Yeah, but CT didn't do that (in fact, he did the opposite) and you still questioned his evidence. Do you hold those who claim that there aren't any racist members of Tea Partiers to the same standards because I have only seen you question those who say that there are racists within it.
    There are racists most likely in any group.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    No it isn't. I live in the south, and I know people in the Tea Party movement who would very much like to see black people hanging from trees. I don't consider them representative of the entire movement, but that element does exist in the Tea Party movement. Get over it. You can't pretend it doesn't exist just because it is inconvenient.
    Similarly, racism is very strong in liberals and mostly non-existent in Republicans. The Washington Post reports about research concerning the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina:


    Are Republicans stingy but principled while Democrats are generous but racist?

    "I wouldn't put it quite so starkly," said Stanford University professor Shanto Iyengar. He would prefer to call Democrats "less principled" rather than bigoted, based on his analysis of data collected in a recent online experiment that he conducted with The Washington Post and washingtonpost.com.

    As reported in this column a few weeks ago, the study found that people were less likely to give extended aid to black Hurricane Katrina victims than to white ones. The race penalty, on average, totaled about $1,000 per black victim.

    As Iyengar and his colleagues subsequently dug deeper into these data, another finding emerged: Republicans consistently gave less aid, and gave over a shorter period of time, to victims regardless of race.

    Democrats and independents were far more generous; on average, they gave Katrina victims on average more than $1,500 a month, compared with $1,200 for Republicans, and for 13 months instead of nine.

    But for Democrats, race mattered -- and in a disturbing way. Overall, Democrats were willing to give whites about $1,500 more than they chose to give to a black or other minority. (Even with this race penalty, Democrats still were willing to give more to blacks than those principled Republicans.) "Republicans are likely to be more stringent, both in terms of money and time, Iyengar said. "However, their position is 'principled' in the sense that it stems from a strong belief in individualism (as opposed to handouts). Thus their responses to the assistance questions are relatively invariant across the different media conditions. Independents and Democrats, on the other hand, are more likely to be affected by racial cues."

    To test the effects of race, participants in the study were asked to read a news article about Katrina victims. Some read a story featuring a white person. Some read identical stories -- except the victim was black, Asian or Hispanic. Then they were asked how much assistance they think the government should give to help hurricane victims. Approximately 2,300 people participated in the study.

    Iyengar said he's not surprised by the latest findings: "This pattern of results matches perfectly an earlier study I did on race and crime" with Franklin D. Gilliam Jr. of UCLA. "Republicans supported tough treatment of criminals no matter what they encountered in the news. Others were more elastic in their position, coming to support more harsh measures when the criminal suspect they encountered was non-white."


    Did you notice how liberals, once again, fit the big-spending stereotype. They sure are generous when they hand out other people's money and they're racist to boot. Republicans are race-neutral but they're stingy when spending government money.

    How did you put it? Oh yes, get over it. Liberals should come to terms with their inner Klansman.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    you've got limited amounts of time and a limited ability to spend your time interviewing - so yes, you probably make snap judgements about people. but what you are mistaking is racism for cultural discrimination. asians' in this country have a subculture that makes them generally better employees than whites, which is why they will get hired more and do better, whereas whites have the same advantage over blacks. You want to get upset about it? that's fine - increasing America's productivity is generally okay with me. but the solution doesn't lie with trying to force employers to make less economically intelligent decisions - employers care about no other color so much as they care about the color green.
    Thank you for letting me know that you approve of racial discrimination - yes, racial discrimination - discrimination based on the assumption that individuals perpetuate the cultural stereotypes of their race. I find life becomes much simpler when I know exactly what people think.

    Instead it lies with fixing black culture so that they produce more productive members of society. If black means just as high a chance of green as white does, then that single statistic that teamosil has been trumping around here until it dies of overuse goes away.
    Certain aspects of low-income black culture are a problem and two other huge problems are racism (which you find acceptable) and unequal opportunity (which you don't even mention). One of the biggest things that maintains ANY problem is denying that it even exists and that's what you and lot of your fellow conservatives do. I'm not biting.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Oh God. You're one of those anti-science meta conspiracy theorists eh? Ah well, I thought you were a serious person.
    Not anti-science, at all. I'm anti-bull****, which is what global warming research is. Or, if you want to put in a politer way, I'm an anti-fake science person.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Similarly, racism is very strong in liberals and mostly non-existent in Republicans. The Washington Post reports about research concerning the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina:


    [INDENT]Are Republicans stingy but principled while Democrats are generous but racist?

    Did you notice how liberals, once again, fit the big-spending stereotype. They sure are generous when they hand out other people's money and they're racist to boot. Republicans are race-neutral but they're stingy when spending government money.

    How did you put it? Oh yes, get over it. Liberals should come to terms with their inner Klansman.
    Well, since you seem to trust the Washington Post...


    Another study presented at the conference, which was in Palm Springs, Calif., explored relationships between racial bias and political affiliation by analyzing self-reported beliefs, voting patterns and the results of psychological tests that measure implicit attitudes -- subtle stereotypes people hold about various groups.

    That study found that supporters of President Bush and other conservatives had stronger self-admitted and implicit biases against blacks than liberals did.

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    The analysis found that substantial majorities of Americans, liberals and conservatives, found it more difficult to associate black faces with positive concepts than white faces -- evidence of implicit bias. But districts that registered higher levels of bias systematically produced more votes for Bush.

    "Obviously, such research does not speak at all to the question of the prejudice level of the president," said Banaji, "but it does show that George W. Bush is appealing as a leader to those Americans who harbor greater anti-black prejudice."


    Study Ties Political Leanings to Hidden Biases
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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    How did you put it? Oh yes, get over it. Liberals should come to terms with their inner Klansman.
    That reminds me again of Byrd...

    Byrd didn't join some fraternal organization that just happened to be slightly racist; he joined an overtly racist and terrorist organization, and apparently condoned the activities of such. I don't remember where I heard/read it, but I believe that during the period he was the "Grand Kleagle", or whatever the hell faggot little title the cowards gave themselves, several lynchings of black men for imaginary offenses took place--Most of which remain unsolved crimes to this day. As far as I know, Byrd did nothing to make amends for these crimes, or to try to bring the perpetrators to justice. It all got swept under the rug.

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