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    People will continue to talk about and debate race and racism so long as they remain relevant to experiences of many Americans.
    As long as we have racist groups in Washington there is no chance of racism ending.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    He ought to apologize and save what is left of his dignity. Even IF Tea Party organizations tend to have more racists among their ranks (and that is a big IF), that still doesn't translate into "Tea Party politicians want to see us hanging from trees and going back to the old Jim Crow laws." Point out all of the specific instances of right-wing racism all you want (the Birther movement, some Tea Party people with bigoted signs, radio hosts taking racist jabs at Obama, etc.), but it is foolish to smear an entire political movement with the R-word.
    Last edited by Michael418; 09-04-11 at 05:34 PM.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Yep, they were shown to have had a long standing policy of not hiring minorities and were fined $40 million.
    Which was one of the stupidest judgments I've ever seen. A&F purposely designed their marketing to reach a specific demographic group - white upper class young people.

    This is like telling a Chinese restaurant that they cannot favor hiring Asian people. Who wants to go to a Chinese restaurant staffed by red-headed Scotsman wearing kilts?

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    No, you aren't following. The study eliminated every variable except race to determine whether racism was having an impact. They found that it was. A big one. That doesn't mean it is the only factor.
    Why do you persist in advancing this lie? Well, I do know why, you're more interesting in advancing a partisan talking point than you are in representing the truth.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael418 View Post
    He ought to apologize and save what is left of his dignity. Even IF Tea Party organizations tend to have more racists among their ranks (and that is a big IF), that still doesn't translate into "Tea Party politicians want to see us hanging from trees and going back to the old Jim Crow laws." Point out all of the specific instances of right-wing racism all you want (the Birther movement, some Tea Party people with bigoted signs, radio hosts taking racist jabs at Obama, etc.), but it is foolish to smear an entire political movement with the R-word.
    Alright, first thing's first...

    Rep. Andre Carson DID NOT call the entire Tea Party movement racist. What he said was:

    “Well, I wasn't talking about the entire tea party. I think the tea party is absolutely right when they call for increased transparency in government, when they call for a cutback on excessive government spending. I am deeply concerned about some elements of the tea party who are extremist and who have reflected a mentality going back to the John Birch society, going back to George Wallace's Dixiecrats,” Carson said.
    How posters to this or any of the other threads discussing this matter could have missed this clarifying rebuttal somewhat baffles me. Perhaps it could be that while Republicans/Conservatives are quick to condemn Rep. Carson for his commentary, folks failed to seek out exactly what was said and instead did the very thing some have accussed others of doing here - painting people with a broad brush.

    The question asked by justabubba...

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    rather than whine about him daring to express his opinion, why don't you instead share with us what is found wrong about his observations
    ...is an important and valid question to ask. Clearly, not everyone involved with the Tea Party movement are racist. However, I don't think anyone can deny that there are racist elements within the Tea Party movement. As haymarket has pointed out, there have been members of the Tea Party movement who have presented racist signs or wore T-shirts with questionable racist comments on them. And if Tea Party members haven't said things that can be clearly defined as racist, some among them have made statements have racist undertones. Take Rep. Joe Walsh, for example. Recently in a MSNBC.com with Martin Bashir, Rep. Walsh was asked about the allegations of racism within the Tea Party movement. When confronted directly on the matter asking specifically if Walsh believed people voted for President Obama just because he was Black, Walsh replied "because it was a historical moment in this nation's history". (You can watch the video exchange here.) Although Rep. Walsh's answer was correct, it gives the impression that that's the only reason some people voted for the nation's 44th President - because he was Black. However, it does bring into question why Rep. Walsh is so upset with Pres. Obama. He says that it's a matter of the President's "failed policies", but when you listen to him in the video he gives far more respect to Congress assembling on behalf of foreign heads of state than he does his nation's president. This tells me there's more going on here than just a person being upset over policy matters. But I invite the readers/viewers to watch the video interview and really listen to what's said and make your own conclusion.

    For me, while I will agree that not every member of the Tea Party are racist, I do believe there are racist elements within the movement. However, I would also like to read transcripts or view video commentary of the type of visceral comments made by those Tea Party members Rep. Carson accuses of being racist. Just as the videos of Mrs. Sherly Sherrod and her association with the NAACP suddenly popped up (a video that later disproved the racist allegation levied against her), I would like to see videos of racism levied against the Tea Party if they're out there. So, if you have 'em post them here for all to see.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Why do you persist in advancing this lie? Well, I do know why, you're more interesting in advancing a partisan talking point than you are in representing the truth.
    Advancing a lie? Oh... You're going off about that thing where resumes don't say everything about a person again... That's still irrelevant though... The researchers eliminated every difference that the applicant presents to the employer except race. Your theory about that they are using race as a way to guess at other factors is just another way of saying "yup, they're discriminating on the basis of race"... You keep repeating it like it's somehow an argument for your side, but it's just a flat out concession of the debate...

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Which was one of the stupidest judgments I've ever seen. A&F purposely designed their marketing to reach a specific demographic group - white upper class young people.

    This is like telling a Chinese restaurant that they cannot favor hiring Asian people. Who wants to go to a Chinese restaurant staffed by red-headed Scotsman wearing kilts?
    It would be a pretty good bet that there were many jobs that had little to do with the marketing end people see. Now this part is really none of my business. If their marketing is flawed, not my problem but I'm not sure why they would feel that things that upper class white people like wouldn't appeal to upper class black people.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Rep. Andre Carson DID NOT call the entire Tea Party movement racist. What he said was:

    How posters to this or any of the other threads discussing this matter could have missed this clarifying rebuttal somewhat baffles me. Perhaps it could be that while Republicans/Conservatives are quick to condemn Rep. Carson for his commentary, folks failed to seek out exactly what was said and instead did the very thing some have accussed others of doing here - painting people with a broad brush.
    That was a failed attempt on his part to admit he was wrong. He couldn't say it so he has to try and make up more crap. Not a single actual position to back up his accusations. No, it was just the ramblings of a bigot.

    ...is an important and valid question to ask. Clearly, not everyone involved with the Tea Party movement are racist. However, I don't think anyone can deny that there are racist elements within the Tea Party movement. As haymarket has pointed out, there have been members of the Tea Party movement who have presented racist signs or wore T-shirts with questionable racist comments on them.
    All that was provided was a picture of someone comparing Obama with a monkey which was done with Bush hundreds of times.

    And if Tea Party members haven't said things that can be clearly defined as racist, some among them have made statements have racist undertones. Take Rep. Joe Walsh, for example. Recently in a MSNBC.com with Martin Bashir, Rep. Walsh was asked about the allegations of racism within the Tea Party movement. When confronted directly on the matter asking specifically if Walsh believed people voted for President Obama just because he was Black, Walsh replied "because it was a historical moment in this nation's history". (You can watch the video exchange here.) Although Rep. Walsh's answer was correct, it gives the impression that that's the only reason some people voted for the nation's 44th President - because he was Black. However, it does bring into question why Rep. Walsh is so upset with Pres. Obama. He says that it's a matter of the President's "failed policies", but when you listen to him in the video he gives far more respect to Congress assembling on behalf of foreign heads of state than he does his nation's president. This tells me there's more going on here than just a person being upset over policy matters. But I invite the readers/viewers to watch the video interview and really listen to what's said and make your own conclusion.
    He's correct but it was wrong because you feel there were racist undertones to it? It was either correct or not. If it was correct it was simply factual. I'm also curious, why is the CBC never called out for their outright racism?

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    It would be a pretty good bet that there were many jobs that had little to do with the marketing end people see. Now this part is really none of my business. If their marketing is flawed, not my problem but I'm not sure why they would feel that things that upper class white people like wouldn't appeal to upper class black people.
    They did put people into backroom operations when the people didn't meet the company's "Look Policy."

    The company was using its employees as advertisments of its brand image. Who here finds Chinese Food products marketed by bearded red-headed Scottish lads wearing kilts to be effective brand management for Chinese Food Products? How about advertising for feminine hygiene products pitched by men?

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