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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    You said that racemongering doesn't divide people. That's your mistake. Own it.

    You also said everyone is apart, even though there are many groups of people who share the same beliefs.

    I want to understand your claims.
    No you don't, you just admitted that you're only here to get back at me for a perceived "attack" in ANOTHER thread. There's really no need to talk any further since you only engaged me for personal reasons. Another waste of my time.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    How could any member be? You (and Hat) post them most days. We are all well aware of what you consider racist signs and shirts. If someone wore a shirt, or made a sig, "Yup, I'm a racist... because haymarket says so"... you would claim it was undeniable proof that the person is, in fact, a racist and is using you and us gullible idiots to get away with saying it in public. The rest of us would laugh. There's a thread that proves this, however ridiculous that might appear.




    I challenge you to show posts from myself - let alone on an almost daily basis as you allege - of posting pics here of these things.

    Lets see them.

    When a person holds a hand made sign that uses the N word about the President - I take that as racism. Perhaps you are more forgiving of such transgressions.

    When a person holds a hand made sign that shows a picture of the President as an African witch doctor with a bone through his nose - I take that as racism. Again, perhaps you are more forgiving of such transgressions.

    When a persons holds a hand made sign that shows the President and it compares him to an ape, chimp or monkey - I take that as racism. Again, perhaps you are more forgiving of such transgressions.

    When a person holds a hand made sign that accuses the President of wanting to enslave White Persons - I take that as racism. Again, perhaps you are more forgiving of such transgressions.

    I strongly suspect that if I wore a T-shirt that said "I am a freedom killing Marxist" - and then on the back listed reasons why the far right perceives me as such, you and others would focus only on the front of it stating that it reveals truth in the disguise of satire.
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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Haymarket, can the same argument then be used on the NAACP/Black Panthers/Al Sharpton/etc? Or do you think they are blameless? What do you think?

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Akston View Post
    There's nothing factual in his "observations", that's the point. We've had thread after thread asking to see all of these "racist signs" that people who attend the Tea Party events supposedly carry. Each and every time, folks fall short of providing said proof. Just because there is a sign here or a sign there doesn't mean that the Tea Party is racist, not even remotely close. Should we label the entire left as being racist because the NAACP, the Black Panthers, the New Black Panthers, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and others support them? No, I didn't think so. I live in the deep south and I've seen blacks, whites, hispanics, muslims, men, women, young, old and in-between at the events I've attended. Are the majority of the Tea Partiers white? Yes they are, but just because they are mostly white doesn't mean that they are racist. By that logic, the NBA is racist against whites, the NFL is racist against black quarterbacks, FFA (Future Farmers of America) is racist, NASCAR is racist, Formula One is racist, the NHL is racist and the PGA is racist. The pathetic argument that they are racist because they are mostly white is lame at best.

    Show me the members of Congress that want blacks to be hung from a tree. Don't tiptoe around it, either spell it out or drop it. This is nothing more than fearmongering, something I only thought the republicans were guilty of -
    the hanging from a tree expression being hyperbole was previously acknowledged
    but what you want to pretend does not exist is the strong racist constituency within the tea party as it currently exists (in contrast to the one begun by Ron Paul's camp and co-opted by disenchanted republicans after the Obama election)
    this article expresses it much better than i could: Michael J.W. Stickings: The Harsh Reality of Tea Party Racism
    here are some salient excerpts (and i also encourage you to watch the resident video):
    ... the NAACP is right that there are "racist elements" among the teabaggers. "You must expel the bigots and racists in your ranks or take full responsibility for all of their actions," NAACP president Benjamin Jealous has said." Note that Jealous did not say that all teabaggers are "bigots and racists," just certain "elements." There's a big difference there, but the hostile defensiveness of teabaggers is telling: either they don't want to own up to the racism and bigotry of their own kind, out of ignorant denial or willful suppression of the truth, or they agree with it but are smart enough not to be so outspoken about their real views.

    There is extensive evidence of racism and bigotry among teabaggers, much of it directed at President Obama. Like so many conservatives before them, the teabaggers may try to turn it around on their critics, claiming that allegations of racism are part of some nefarious liberal smear campaign, but they cannot escape the undeniable truth -- that is, undeniable for any reasonable person who lives in reality -- that there is an ugly strain of racism and bigotry in their ranks, a strain that taints the entire "movement."

    Defenders of slavery, opponents of civil rights -- they were racists, not the victims of liberal propaganda. The same goes for the racists in the KKK and the neo-Nazi movement, just as it goes for the various racists in the Tea Party "movement." No, that "movement" isn't the KKK, and not all teabaggers are racist, but to deny the existence of widespread racism in the Tea Party "movement" is to deny a fairly significant element of what that "movement" is all about. ...
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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    When a person holds a hand made sign that uses the N word about the President - I take that as racism. Perhaps you are more forgiving of such transgressions.
    I take that as racism as well, and I have stated as such.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    When a person holds a hand made sign that shows a picture of the President as an African witch doctor with a bone through his nose - I take that as racism. Again, perhaps you are more forgiving of such transgressions.
    Not really racism. He is "African American" after all is he not (well at least 50%)?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    When a persons holds a hand made sign that shows the President and it compares him to an ape, chimp or monkey - I take that as racism. Again, perhaps you are more forgiving of such transgressions.
    So you were just as vocal about this type of racism when Bush was depicted the same way? Google "Bush monkey" and get back to me...

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    When a person holds a hand made sign that accuses the President of wanting to enslave White Persons - I take that as racism. Again, perhaps you are more forgiving of such transgressions.
    That's not racism either. It's context you fail to get - yet again. Being dependent on a person/government is compared to slavery. Obama is for a much larger government than we have now (which is too big and has been for years). He wants government involved in everything at every level. Socialism to slavery is not that far of a stretch when you take into account the context.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I strongly suspect that if I wore a T-shirt that said "I am a freedom killing Marxist" - and then on the back listed reasons why the far right perceives me as such, you and others would focus only on the front of it stating that it reveals truth in the disguise of satire.
    I personally would not. I understand sarcasm and irony. I can't speak for ecofarm, but I'm pretty sure he gets it too.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Akston View Post
    I disagree - KKK, NAACP, Black Panthers, etc...
    I don't see how those organizations (although including the NAACP in that group is odd to me) would contradict my statement. I said 95% non-racist. think that tehre are plenty of organizations that are 95% racist.

    The Tea Party is not an organization, it's more of a movement. Sure, there are Tea Party groups who have formed, and one of the biggest kicked it's leader out for making racist statements.
    Fine, movement. I still seriously doubt that it is 95% non-racist. I'd believe a majority, sure, even as much as 75-85%, but 95% non-racist doesn't seem likely to me.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    the hanging from a tree expression being hyperbole was previously acknowledged
    but what you want to pretend does not exist is the strong racist constituency within the tea party as it currently exists (in contrast to the one begun by Ron Paul's camp and co-opted by disenchanted republicans after the Obama election)
    this article expresses it much better than i could: Michael J.W. Stickings: The Harsh Reality of Tea Party Racism
    here are some salient excerpts (and i also encourage you to watch the resident video):


    it is there for anyone to see. all they have to be willing to do is look
    When you cite a source that refers to Tea Party folks as "teabaggers", all credibility is lost. I've shown that the racist elements at Tea Party events have been removed/expelled/confronted. Sorry, but you're not even remotely close to being accurate.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I don't see how those organizations (although including the NAACP in that group is odd to me) would contradict my statement. I said 95% non-racist. think that tehre are plenty of organizations that are 95% racist.

    Fine, movement. I still seriously doubt that it is 95% non-racist. I'd believe a majority, sure, even as much as 75-85%, but 95% non-racist doesn't seem likely to me.
    How do you think a group called the NAAWP would go over? Do you think it would be viewed as racist? IMO, any group that pushes an agenda based solely on the color of one's skin is racist. We are Americans, not hyphenated Americans. It's time we stop separating ourselves with pre-fixes and start viewing each other as equals.

    I've been to Tea Party events Tucker, and in the deep south. I've seen no racism whatsoever at these events. If it isn't here in the deep south, where is it then? Sure, there are a few here and there, but I have not witnessed any racists at any event I've been to.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Now it is you who are lying. I googled "racist tea party signs" and came up with bunches and bunches of stuff. If you hit IMAGES you can see all kinds of really racist material with Obama as a tribal witch doctor with a bone through his nose, signs using the N word, signs and shirts proudly proclaiming they are racists, Obama in a pimp outfit, lots of references to Africa, Obama with monkey and ape references and lots of other offensive and racist things.

    Are my eyes seeing things?
    yep .. now google hate signs about Bush .. hmmm wonders what that makes your liberal Bast**ds then .. certainly no better then the tea party huh ??

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Isn't about time we moved past such vile, angry bull****?

    Oh wait, I can't say that about the esteemed Rep. Carson, to criticize him, since I am a white male and tea partier, is racist.

    Just reading that filthy dung heaps rant makes my stomach churn in disgust.
    Passive/aggressive...it cancels itself out, so you're probably better off taking a stand that means something.

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    he explosive comments, caught on tape, were uploaded on the Internet Tuesday, and Carson’s office stood by the remarks. Jason Tomcsi, Carson’s spokesman, said the comment was “in response to frustration voiced by many in Miami and in his home district in Indianapolis regarding Congress’s inability to bolster the economy.” Tomcsi, in an email, wrote that “the congressman used strong language because the Tea Party agenda jeopardizes our most vulnerable and leaves them without the ability to improve their economic standing.

    I applaud the Congressman for taking a stand, and for not weaseling out of it by apologizing a day later.
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