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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post



    Honestly, man to man, on my honor, I swear to you that I absolutely want to see racism die off. In fact, if I had to choose between one scenario where racism was completely erased, but Republicans won every election in the nation for 40 years and another scenario where racism continued as is, but Democrats won every election in the nation for 40 years, truthfully I would opt for the first scenario over the later. In my view it is hands down the most serious cause of very real human suffering in this country.
    When someone starts with that "I swear to you".....Its bull****. They will take you for a ride

    Answer this *truthfully*.....

    Colin Powell endorsed Obama for the same reason that 95% of blacks voted for him. Because of race, pure and simple. A perfect illustration of the double standard in this country.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

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    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    That's just the standard blanket explanation for everything the right uses for everything- "if something is wrong, it must be the government's fault", that is not a real argument.
    Just as quoting from air is no real argument. Use some genuine quotes and then you might have a debate. Do you feel all government is good or are problems frequently the government's fault?

    Most people realize the need for cooperative government, but are also aware that once given power, it tends to corrupt. Lord Acton famously pointed this out generations ago and, apart from Leftists, most people recognize the truth in that today.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

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    Just as quoting from air is no real argument. Use some genuine quotes and then you might have a debate. Do you feel all government is good or are problems frequently the government's fault?

    Most people realize the need for cooperative government, but are also aware that once given power, it tends to corrupt. Lord Acton famously pointed this out generations ago and, apart from Leftists, most people recognize the truth in that today.
    Government, like corporations, can do both good and bad. Corporations are better at producing the best goods at the lowest cost, but they don't represent people beyond that scope. Government represents the interests of the people, but can be inefficient. So you pick the right tool for the right job and you use them to keep one another in check. Just ceding control of the world to corporations as right wingers push for would obviously be a total disaster.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Sounds to me like the study was rigged to have the desired outcome.
    Do you just not understand how science works or what? That's what you do- eliminate all the variables other than the one you want to study to see what impact that one has.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    When someone starts with that "I swear to you".....Its bull****. They will take you for a ride
    Well, I don't know what else to tell you. Your paranoid conspiracy theories about the left are not only wrong, they're obviously ridiculous.

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Colin Powell endorsed Obama for the same reason that 95% of blacks voted for him. Because of race, pure and simple. A perfect illustration of the double standard in this country.
    You're just making an assumption. The majority of the entire country voted for Obama. For obvious reasons- because Bush showed us unequivocally that the right wing philosophy fails completely on all fronts- economically, in terms of national security, in terms of the budget, in terms of civil rights, international relations... Why anybody would have voted for more of that I have no idea...

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    teamsoil, the field study you presented is interesting, and I don't think that anyone in these forums would say that unequivocally racism doesn't exist. You can't legislate what is in some men's hearts. however, the meme that racism is a bastion solely existent on the right, or a prevue of corporations, or in business in general if that business is ran by a white businessman, is pure pap. And studies that try and make that correlation often start with their desired premise in mind and therefore it is no surprise when their results show exactly what they wanted to show.

    We have come a long way, do we have more to go? sure. But the recent sliming with racism at every turn as a tactic to shut down debate on policy of a sitting administration solely because his policies are failing is what it should be seen for, excuse, and deflection. And shameful at that.


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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You can't legislate what is in some men's hearts.
    That's true, but you can legislate what they do. You can use the law to fight against discrimination. Does that mean you'll have some people out there complaining about how you are "race baiting" and claiming you're just making it up? Yeah, but that price is well worth paying.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    however, the meme that racism is a bastion solely existent on the right, or a prevue of corporations, or in business in general if that business is ran by a white businessman, is pure pap.
    I would certainly not agree with any of those memes.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    We have come a long way, do we have more to go? sure. But the recent sliming with racism at every turn as a tactic to shut down debate on policy of a sitting administration solely because his policies are failing is what it should be seen for, excuse, and deflection. And shameful at that.
    I don't think it has anything to do with Obama except that maybe some of the actual racism was stirred up by some people being uncomfortable with the idea of a black man being president. People don't get attacked for criticizing Obama on policy and the vast majority of conversations about racism don't have any connection to Obama at all.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Do you just not understand how science works or what? That's what you do- eliminate all the variables other than the one you want to study to see what impact that one has.
    I know that scientific studies can be manipulated to achieve a desired outcome. i.e. global warming research.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I know that scientific studies can be manipulated to achieve a desired outcome. i.e. global warming research.
    Oh God. You're one of those anti-science meta conspiracy theorists eh? Ah well, I thought you were a serious person.

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    Re: Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree' Read more: http://www.p

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    teamsoil, the field study you presented is interesting, and I don't think that anyone in these forums would say that unequivocally racism doesn't exist. You can't legislate what is in some men's hearts. however, the meme that racism is a bastion solely existent on the right, or a prevue of corporations, or in business in general if that business is ran by a white businessman, is pure pap. And studies that try and make that correlation often start with their desired premise in mind and therefore it is no surprise when their results show exactly what they wanted to show.

    We have come a long way, do we have more to go? sure. But the recent sliming with racism at every turn as a tactic to shut down debate on policy of a sitting administration solely because his policies are failing is what it should be seen for, excuse, and deflection. And shameful at that.

    j-mac
    People will continue to talk about and debate race and racism so long as they remain relevant to experiences of many Americans. Attempts by conservatives to sweep the issue under the rug by accusing those who bring it up of "pulling the race card" and similar arguments will not stop the discussion from happening. In fact, it is those attempts that make conversations about race and racism more frequent and intense than they have to be. There's nothing like covering one's ears to a reality that one doesn't want to face that inspires people to shout louder.

    Discussions about racism can and do coexist with discussions about policy. From what I know, most liberals understand this. It seems to be conservatives who think it must be one or other as they are the ones who accuse liberals of using race to divert from policy discussions when the hundreds of threads on policy w/o any mention of race are proof enough that that assertion is a myth.

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